Freeman of the Land / Bonkers Theories

[bainbridge]

Not really. Her life has been much the same for the last 15 years or so. She lives half of the year in the UK and the other half in Spain. Has plenty of money. Lots of friends. No real worries at all.
You can't really challenge her on any of this though. As soon as you do, she gets very defensive and shuts the conversation down. It goes like this: Make outrageous statement, statement is challenged, "I don't want to talk about this"........

Interesting. Like you say she's in a comfortable position, outwardly at least, but also potentially has a lot to lose if she goes into full Freeman mode.

The husband being like-minded in this sort of thing is probably creating an echo chamber, like you mentioned.

If she does close the conversation down when you challenge her, at least you don't have to endure it constantly.

If things escalate and she begins to challenge you and your conventional way of doing things, you could ask her if any facts, figures or anything else you say might change her view.

If she says no, then it's a faith issue. She's found her church and needs to be left to worship based on her own beliefs.

 

[mid_gen]

I don't see this stuff on Facebook, I'm more likely to see it on this forum to be honest.

You only need to click one or two links to end up down the rabbit hole.....if you steer the algorithm away then you don't see any of it.

I made a TikTok account a few months ago. It was all over the place at first......but one of the very things it showed me was a video of some guy in a balaclava ranting about how ALL TAX IS THEFT and pointing to some FOTM type grift.

Fortunately my parents have already made arrangements to hand me financial power of attorney so even if they do go loopy I can stop too much insanity.....but I think they'll be alright, although they do spend a lot of time on Facebook and have gone pretty Reform-y in recent years. Blair voters that went on to vote for Brexit.....

 

[drew]

Solicitor called me, nice enough chap but he was on the end of my anger. Emotions are flooding back.

Apparently I am required to sign some documents to remove me as an executor from his trust, I've said that unless he comes up with a suitable offer and I'm not legally compelled to do anything I wont be signing a single piece of paper for that man.

It is tied to the house, which apparently i don't legally own 25% of, which contradicts the Land Registry and some free advice i had.

Shoe is on the other foot now and i'm raging.

My wife said surely I should be the "better man", but there's a long way to go down before I reach his level.

 

[drew]

I'm worried that my mother is heading down this particular rabbit hole. When visiting her last week she stated:

• All IT is a method of control
• She won't get buildings or contents insurance on her house because she doesn't want to be on a database
• All vaccines are a con
• People shouldn't have to pay taxes on cash income (I think she means that it's OK to fiddle the books. Something that her and he husband got done for in the 1980s when they had a business)
• There is no such thing as Autism, ADHD, depression, or any kind of mental illness other than insanity
• Literally everyone is trying to con her

Sorry but once the mind rot sets in it's not likely she will come back, their fragile ego prohibits being wrong.

 

[mid_gen]

I would get some paid advice to understand what's at stake.

 

[Werewolf]

Solicitor called me, nice enough chap but he was on the end of my anger. Emotions are flooding back.

Apparently I am required to sign some documents to remove me as an executor from his trust, I've said that unless he comes up with a suitable offer and I'm not legally compelled to do anything I wont be signing a single piece of paper for that man.

It is tied to the house, which apparently i don't legally own 25% of, which contradicts the Land Registry and some free advice i had.

Shoe is on the other foot now and i'm raging.

My wife said surely I should be the "better man", but there's a long way to go down before I reach his level.

If a solicitor for anyone rang me up and told me I was "required" to sign anything I'd be talking to my own solicitor

Something I suspect you're doing anyway.

Given how things have gone before, have you even got confirmation it was actually a qualified and currently licenced solicitor?

 

[drew]

If a solicitor for anyone rang me up and told me I was "required" to sign anything I'd be talking to my own solicitor

Something I suspect you're doing anyway.

Given how things have gone before, have you even got confirmation it was actually a qualified and currently licenced solicitor?

I am speaking to my legal team I use for business and private.

When I finally bought the business he refused to pay the legal and accountancy fees for his time wasting, out of wanting to do the right thing and maintain a relationship with this person I paid the fees, approx 18k. Most of that was time, he literally cc'd the owner of the accountancy firm we used in EVERY email for 5 months, every single one... My accountant was fair with so I was fair with them even though they were his costs. Was a truly bizarre time.

Please bear in mind it was he who used the accountant to value the business and then try and market it, until I said i'd buy it as no one was going to touch a business with a 60/40 share split in an extremely hostile situation!

His legal advisor is legitimate, odd considering he doesn't believe in anything other than common law, unless it suits him.

 

[Feek]

Emotions are flooding back.

I know these muppets are a joke, but this just shows the effect they can have on normal people. Take care drew, don't let him grind you down.

 

[drew]

I know these muppets are a joke, but this just shows the effect they can have on normal people. Take care drew, don't let him grind you down.

Thank you, that's very nice. The pain is in the second guessing myself and again feeling like i'm in the wrong, emotions I set aside are back again.

Anyway, spoke to his solicitor again and apologised for my language, it was robust and definitely ban worthy here I think! I did suggest that he got some money upfront.

I'll be instructing my solicitor when she's back from vacation to work on my behalf and provide an estimate to take the case on, he will have to put the money into my client account for any further communication and keep it topped up. Not a small firm so won't be cheap, but good solid advice - https://www.shma.co.uk/

 

[sidimmu]

I'll be instructing my solicitor when she's back from vacation to work on my behalf and provide an estimate to take the case on, he will have to put the money into my client account for any further communication and keep it topped up. Not a small firm so won't be cheap, but good solid advice - https://www.shma.co.uk/

Good to hear, you're doing the right thing and dont budge.
You've had to spend thousands of pounds on dealing with this nonsense and got more to come, I would indeed be looking for a monetary payout to reclaim whats been lost and what you currently "own".

 

[bainbridge]

@drew Thanks for updating us, lots of forum members have been following your experience with this.

Good on you for getting back to the solicitor if you felt that you lost your cool, it's understandable for emotions to flood back.

 

[Resident]

Solicitor called me, nice enough chap but he was on the end of my anger. Emotions are flooding back.

Apparently I am required to sign some documents to remove me as an executor from his trust, I've said that unless he comes up with a suitable offer and I'm not legally compelled to do anything I wont be signing a single piece of paper for that man.

It is tied to the house, which apparently i don't legally own 25% of, which contradicts the Land Registry and some free advice i had.

Shoe is on the other foot now and i'm raging.

My wife said surely I should be the "better man", but there's a long way to go down before I reach his level.

Surely, if there are legal documents that state you own 25% and the solicitor on the opposite side tries to tell you that you don't then surely some professional line has been crossed?

 

[drew]

Surely, if there are legal documents that state you own 25% and the solicitor on the opposite side tries to tell you that you don't then surely some professional line has been crossed?

Not sure if its my interpretation, as per my reading of the land registry i own 25% directly, his solicitor states that its via a trust, i've lost the paperwork I ordered from them with all the trust details. Bit over my head so will leave it with the professionals.

I have a feeling i know what is happening, as there is going to be charge on his 25% of the property this has caused him a problem, his 25% was supposed to go to my sisters trust, she has special needs and in a home, can't work etc, i suspect he has zero intentions of paying the charge off, so her share is down 75k. He is going to suggest that me sitting on my share of 25% is impacting his ability to leave my sister anything substantial. He will play the victim and say i am stopping my sister from getting anything terrible brother yadda yadda.

I have a solution for him, put the equivalent of 25% into my sisters trust now, and i'll sign over my share.

I'm rambling a bit, sorry if its hard to read!

 

[Resident]

Not sure if its my interpretation, as per my reading of the land registry i own 25% directly, his solicitor states that its via a trust, i've lost the paperwork I ordered from them with all the trust details. Bit over my head so will leave it with the professionals.

I have a feeling i know what is happening, as there is going to be charge on his 25% of the property this has caused him a problem, his 25% was supposed to go to my sisters trust, she has special needs and in a home, can't work etc, i suspect he has zero intentions of paying the charge off, so her share is down 75k. He is going to suggest that me sitting on my share of 25% is impacting his ability to leave my sister anything substantial. He will play the victim and say i am stopping my sister from getting anything terrible brother yadda yadda.

I have a solution for him, put the equivalent of 25% into my sisters trust now, and i'll sign over my share.

I'm rambling a bit, sorry if its hard to read!

No need to apologise. I got where you were heading, I think.

His ability to leave your sister 'anything substantial' is on him, not you however given your previous postings I suspect your sister is just being used to guilt trip you into releasing your share to him. I also suspect that if you do your sister will still end up in the situation claimed.

 

[loftie]

If the money man is telling you to do it, I think you're safe to do it, and by the sounds of all the **** that's gone on, you definitely deserve it, especially if you've improved the business since he left.
There's a difference between taking the ****, which you aren't doing, and being rewarded, which you should be.

@drew did you ever sort your company car?

 

[drew]

@drew did you ever sort your company car?

Yes mate, I got myself an X5 50e in January, love it. I have a 23 mile commute now so its perfect for that on the electric, then the occasional longer run

 

[drew]

No need to apologise. I got where you were heading, I think.

His ability to leave your sister 'anything substantial' is on him, not you however given your previous postings I suspect your sister is just being used to guilt trip you into releasing your share to him. I also suspect that if you do your sister will still end up in the situation claimed.

Precisely why I shall make provisions for her. I'm not too fussed about how I look to people but I know he's attempted to poison my aunt and that side of the family. I've never discussed any of what happened with them from my point of view.

My wife keeps bugging me to write a book about his antics.

 

[Resident]

Precisely why I shall make provisions for her. I'm not too fussed about how I look to people but I know he's attempted to poison my aunt and that side of the family. I've never discussed any of what happened with them from my point of view.

My wife keeps bugging me to write a book about his antics.

I'd buy that book !

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

I would watch this movie.

 

[Tram]

I'm worried that my mother is heading down this particular rabbit hole. When visiting her last week she stated:

• All IT is a method of control
• She won't get buildings or contents insurance on her house because she doesn't want to be on a database
• All vaccines are a con
• People shouldn't have to pay taxes on cash income (I think she means that it's OK to fiddle the books. Something that her and he husband got done for in the 1980s when they had a business)
• There is no such thing as Autism, ADHD, depression, or any kind of mental illness other than insanity
• Literally everyone is trying to con her

Well two of them are almost corrected, everyone trying to con you, and some vaccines are not good for you.