Today's mass shooting in the US

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I think the UK needs more rules to allow people to defend themselves from crimnals if they wish to do so. Yes including shooting them.

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My answer - probably would be to gub whoever tried to steal my purse. But that’s not a sustainable solution and would eventually lead to someone killing me, as eventually someone will need a gubbing but they’re tooled up.
Shooting them isn’t a realistic solution either. In fact to claim that just shotting someone should be fine is utter nonsense. You’d be crying like a baby unable to leave the house if society went the direction you want it to.
 
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The hyperbole is you continually referring to the fact that I think people shouldn’t be shot dead in the street as though there’s nothing between that and just doing nothing.
I gave you a middle ground and you turned it down and didn't offer any of your own middle grounds even when asked.

So you are just lying now. So my discussion on this topic with you ends here
 
My answer - probably would be to gub whoever tried to steal my purse. But that’s not a sustainable solution and would eventually lead to someone killing me, as eventually someone will need a gubbing but they’re tooled up.
So your concern is that we would slip and slide to everyone having guns?

Shooting them isn’t a realistic solution either. In fact to claim that just shotting someone should be fine is utter nonsense. You’d be crying like a baby unable to leave the house if society went the direction you want it to.
Oh we are now onto ad hominem :rolleyes:. At least the other guy managed to last longer before throwing personal insults.
 
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If you give everybody guns, it just ends up being like Somalia or somewhere.

We need actual uniform police patroling the street (bobbies on the beat) like it used to be, with actual consequences - the only reason there's an epidemic of theft right now, is because nobody is getting caught and when they do the consequences are a joke.
 
So your concern is that we would slip and slide to everyone having guns?
that has to be a consideration does it not? unless you'd be happy in a society akin to americas where pretty much any half wit can own a gun?
Oh we are now onto ad hominem :rolleyes:
nothing ad hominem about it. quite simply put, if we got the society you think you want, where joe public can just go round shooting people for purse snatching then the sane people will be sat at home crying their eyes out afraid to open their doors because the streets will be filled with armed idiots. you're talking about a society similar to the old wild west - you're off your head if you think that's going to be a fun place to live.
 
I gave you a middle ground and you turned it down and didn't offer any of your own middle grounds even when asked.

So you are just lying now. So my discussion on this topic with you ends here
Reading comprehension not your forte?

That I would do nothing, and think that most people should do nothing, doesn’t mean I think nobody should be allowed to do anything.
 
nothing ad hominem about it. quite simply put, if we got the society you think you want, where joe public can just go round shooting people for purse snatching then the sane people will be sat at home crying their eyes out afraid to open their doors because the streets will be filled with armed idiots. you're talking about a society similar to the old wild west - you're off your head if you think that's going to be a fun place to live.
Accept that's not what happens in countries where it is every man for themselves and AFAIK thats not what happened during the wild west either. So I have no idea why you would come to that conclusion.
Maybe you weren't throwing out insults. Maybe you were just projecting. Assuming everyone would do what you would want to do. I wasn't going to say that at first because it would be a personal insult but i think it might be the actual answer.

that has to be a consideration does it not? unless you'd be happy in a society akin to americas where pretty much any half wit can own a gun?
Yeah i am. If the police won't do their job then the people should be given the tools to defend themselves. Its not like the criminals in this country don't already own guns.
 
Yeah i am. If the police won't do their job then the people should be given the tools to defend themselves. Its not like the criminals in this country don't already own guns.
so you're advocating for a lawless society - sounds very much like it. sane people don't want to live in that sort of society.
Maybe you weren't throwing out insults. Maybe you were just projecting. Assuming everyone would do what you would want to do. I wasn't going to say that at first because it would be a personal insult but i think it might be the actual answer.
say what you want to say, it won't offend me nor will i take it as an insult because i know what you will be doing and where you'd be be in the society you think you want.
edit: and for clarity, that's not out on the streets rattling your spurs and acting the big fella.
 
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so you're advocating for a lawless society - sounds very much like it. sane people don't want to live in that sort of society.
Hyperbole really is the word of the day. You have no idea what a lawless society is and people having guns doesn't lead to a lawless society. But criminals going around robbing anyone they please without fear of reprucussions does lead to a lawless society. I think california is currently experiencing that problem

say what you want to say, it won't offend me nor will i take it as an insult because i know what you will be doing and where you'd be be in the society you think you want.
edit: and for clarity, that's not out on the streets rattling your spurs and acting the big fella.

Yeah we are going to nip this parasocial relationship right here. I never met you and you don't know me. Stop acting like you're my best bud who knows me in and out because you've read a few of my posts.
 
Hyperbole really is the word of the day. You have no idea what a lawless society is and people having guns doesn't lead to a lawless society. But criminals going around robbing anyone they please without fear of reprucussions does lead to a lawless society. I think california is currently experiencing that problem
i may not know what a completely lawless society is like but having lived through the troubles in northern ireland i've plenty of experience of a society where violence is or rather was relatively common place.
Yeah we are going to nip this parasocial relationship right here. I never met you and you don't know me. Stop acting like you're my best bud who knows me in and out because you've read a few of my posts.
i'm certainly not trying to act like your best bud, but experience tells me that people so glib almost blase about guns and violence usually have never experienced either. my apologies if that's not the case and you're actually quite the 'big fella' but i'd bet good money your not.
 
i may not know what a completely lawless society is like but having lived through the troubles in northern ireland i've plenty of experience of a society where violence is or rather was relatively common place.
So after I call you up on this weird parasocial relationship with me you have going on, you decide to bring up your personal life that has nothing to do with what I said.

Right...


i'm certainly not trying to act like your best bud, but experience tells me that people so glib almost blase about guns and violence usually have never experienced either. my apologies if that's not the case and you're actually quite the 'big fella' but i'd bet good money your not.
I'm not glib or blase about guns or violence. So.....

You're going to bet money on me not being fat? okay.
 
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So after I call you up on this weird parasocial relationship with me you have going on, you decide to bring up your personal life that has nothing to do with what I said.

Right...
it has everything to do with what you said....i was merely pointing out that i have experienced violence in every day life, probably more so than most others on here. that's not a boast, i was simply replying to your claim that i wouldn't know what a lawless society was. now i'm not saying NI was ever completely lawless but there were certainly areas of the country where it was pretty damn close.
I'm not glib or blase about guns or violence. So.....
but you are - you seem quite happy for every one to have a gun and to act as judge jury and executioner over relatively minor crimes

You're going to bet money on me not being fat? okay.
i'm not at all suggesting you are fat. what i am saying is that assuming you're a normal person, the reality of your armed civilian population coupled with your relaxing the laws on self defence would make for a society that you would not enjoy quite as much as you might think.
 
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So based off of my posts he thinks, that i think that I is a 'ard man.

Very parasocial of him.....

Also did that really grind your gears that much that you need a ffs at the end :cry: :cry: :cry:
no, i don't think you are a hard man. i think you are full of **** and there's nothing parasocial about this debate but you keep trying to use clever words.

Edit: apologies, that may come across unintentionally rude. I don’t think you are full of **** per se but rather the idea of arming the population is.
 
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So based off of my posts he thinks, that i think that I is a 'ard man.

Very parasocial of him.....

Also did that really grind your gears that much that you need a ffs at the end :cry: :cry: :cry:

You do appear to be pushing a rather extreme position. This thread is about mass shootings, which I hope we all agree are a bad thing and are clearly a potential problem in a society that embraced gun ownership. The overall dangers of everyone carrying a gun (including the pickpockets and muggers) seem worse than the risk of losing your wallet. No one is saying that you can't take reasonable steps to defend yourself, but it's a big escalation from that to allowing vigilante executions in the street.
 
If you make it easy for the general population to get access to guns to defend themselves then you make it even easier for the unsavoury types to also get access to guns to use on the innocent.

I'd also bet that one group would be more hesitant to use the gun than the other.
 
it has everything to do with what you said....i was merely pointing out that i have experienced violence in every day life, probably more so than most others on here. that's not a boast, i was simply replying to your claim that i wouldn't know what a lawless society was. now i'm not saying NI was ever completely lawless but there were certainly areas of the country where it was pretty damn close.
okay

but you are - you seem quite happy for every one to have a gun and to act as judge jury and executioner over relatively minor crimes
I think people should be given the tools and more laws to defend themselves from those who wish to victimise them, especially now that police seem to be struggling to protect the populace. I think too many people are more than happy to let criminals do as they please because it is a "minor" crime.

i'm not at all suggesting you are fat. what i am saying is that assuming you're a normal person, the reality of your armed civilian population coupled with your relaxing the laws on self defence would make for a society that you would not enjoy quite as much as you might think.
You think I wouldn't enjoy a society were people don't need to rollover and accept being a victim as a part of life. okay.

no, i don't think you are a hard man. i think you are full of **** and there's nothing parasocial about this debate but you keep trying to use clever words.
You've been hammering that point because you have been trying to get a reaction out of me (that's why you ignored my rebuttal to the point and continued to go on with the personal insult). I just decided to turn it round on you because i know when people want a reaction out of you (because you think you have some clever insult), ignoring there statement doesn't work.

I know this isn't an actual parasocial relationship. I'm under no assumption that you actually believe that you know me. You are just trying to insult me, so i decided to have some fun with you.

And just incase you haven't realised yet. I don't care what you think about me.
 
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