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**THE NVIDIA DRIVERS THREAD**
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Agreed. Just think there are a few things amiss with 5000 series hardware.
Wow, what has happened to team green's software quality control? Used to be that nvidia drivers were reliable and AMD drivers were problematic, this seems in reverse at the moment. I bought a 5090 to drive my 2x 4k 240Hz oleds and here are the issues I have:
- nvidia drivers simply cannot drive both screens at 240hz without kernel level exceptions, often crashing most games, and sometimes windows (DSC disabled, both screens connected at 80Gpbs over DP 2.1)
- nvidia container app service, when left running it randomly causes massive amounts of desktop display performance degredation, mouse stutter, ocassional windows blue screen
- bugs with handling Windows scaling, testing a different scaling value can randomly crash the card and windows.
Awful experience going back to Nvidia, realy just awful. The worst part is, everything is perfect with a single screen
- nvidia drivers simply cannot drive both screens at 240hz without kernel level exceptions, often crashing most games, and sometimes windows (DSC disabled, both screens connected at 80Gpbs over DP 2.1)
- nvidia container app service, when left running it randomly causes massive amounts of desktop display performance degredation, mouse stutter, ocassional windows blue screen
- bugs with handling Windows scaling, testing a different scaling value can randomly crash the card and windows.
Awful experience going back to Nvidia, realy just awful. The worst part is, everything is perfect with a single screen
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Wow, what has happened to team green's software quality control? Used to be that nvidia drivers were reliable and AMD drivers were problematic, this seems in reverse at the moment. I bought a 5090 to drive my 2x 4k 240Hz oleds and here are the issues I have:
- nvidia drivers simply cannot drive both screens at 240hz without kernel level exceptions, often crashing most games, and sometimes windows (DSC disabled, both screens connected at 80Gpbs over DP 2.1)
- nvidia container app service, when left running it randomly causes massive amounts of desktop display performance degredation, mouse stutter, ocassional windows blue screen
- bugs with handling Windows scaling, testing a different scaling value can randomly crash the card and windows.
Awful experience going back to Nvidia, realy just awful. The worst part is, everything is perfect with a single screen
At least it works fine with one screen. You can rule out hardware issues. Maybe open up a thread on the Nvidia forums and see if anyone has any ideas.
Well, spoke too soon... after a day or two of no issues problems are returning, I just found this thread: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...hread-for-black-screenfreezing-for-5000-seri/
So many posts there show the same symptoms as I'm having, but here's the rub - most of the problems posted _could_ be because of bad hardware, or hardware _related_ issues; but some of them equally could be down to driver issues. This is going to be long and painful to figure out and I don't know at what point I'm just going to think about returning the card because as things stand it doesn't seem fit for purpose whether that's software OR hardware.
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Narrowed this down a little bit, I seem to have two problems, one driver related and the other could be either card or motherboard of a bit of both
- changing windows scaling seems to still occasionally crash the card, with any version of drivers back to 576 or something like that, didn't test eariler version as this is too time consuming, left it on recommended 150% which seems to work if I leave it alone
- the previous crashes that were related to driving both screens at 240Hz are becasuse the PCIe slot was not consistently booting with the cards native gen5. Sometimes it's even set to gen 1.1 or gen 2
I'd say the PCIe issue much more likely to be the board (MSI carbon), I've every slot used bar the m.2 slot that will bifurcate the lanes with the PCIe main slot. Could be noise (because it _seems_ that spread spectrum modulation helps negotiate the slot with gen4/5 more often than not), could also just be crap PCB (either card or board) or a BIOS bug. Either way this is not looking good, because If I can't avoid intermittent booting to PCIe gen1/2 then either the board, the card, or both are duffers, imo.
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FWIW, MGS Delta, Cronos: The New Dawn, and now Silent Hill F, all playing flawlessly on the September the 10th drivers for my 4070 
It does seem like it's only the 5XXX series with issues - to date i've not had any driver issues with the 4070, ever. Which is more than I can say for the fun Adrenaline has caused me in the past with AMD
It does seem like it's only the 5XXX series with issues - to date i've not had any driver issues with the 4070, ever. Which is more than I can say for the fun Adrenaline has caused me in the past with AMD
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Which makes me suspicious about 5000 series hardware..
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@mrk If it's not too much hassle can you summarise in simple terms the what and why of DLSS swapper? I downloaded it from the github, but I see on NVIDIA app (which barely works) it says you can choose latest version of DLSS etc per game so was wondering when and why I might use it? I cannae see it captain.
All I ever seem to recall from it is 'preset k'.
@TNA I see you lurking.
All I ever seem to recall from it is 'preset k'.
@TNA I see you lurking.
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There are 3 main ways to update DLSS model preset either globally or on a per game basis, Nvidia Profile Inspector, NV App, and DLSS Swapper. All three methods have different interfaces and processes to do the same job as they all basically update the registry entries for Nvidia's driver to do this task, this also includes injecting the latest DLSS/FG/RR dll files into supported games as long as you have the latest driver installed which contains said dll files.
I've used all three extensively now and it is my view that DLSS Swapper is the most comprehensive but also reliable and easiest way to do all this with just a few mouse clicks.
NV App sometimes doesn't work or resets your choices per game randomly, the global model preset to K is unreliable too when set via NV App I found as some games would just use an older preset even when K was selected.
NVPI works but you may need to check on a per game basis, involves scrolling and manually toggling DLSS features, it's a bit old fashioned now too even the NVPI Revamped releases on github etc.
DLSS Swapper can be run as a portable app and has everything in one place, shows you the version of each dll not just Nvidia but FSR etc too. tapping a version you can select any newer or older version to replace the existing one with in any game, you can set a global preset model or per game preset model, you can toggle the DLSS overlay status that shows you the preset being used in games so you can verify, you can launch games directly from it too and more as it sees games on whatever storefront you have them on.
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