Poll: AmorIn or AmorOut?
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Focusing on absolute expenditure is too simple an analysis for a complex problem.
Over the course of a DECADE, if a company is failing and the owners keep hiring crap managers and workers, is it the workers and managers fault?
Nobody is saying they haven't spent any money (investment in the stadium and structure aside). Everyone is saying they've WASTED BILLIONS. When will people finally understand this?
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A good 95% of the managerial appointments and transfers were lauded by both pundits and fans alike as being excellent tho?
I'm not saying they should have expected a 4-4-3 at some point but even within the framework of 3-5-3 you would expect far more flexibility. A formation is a formation. There is a huge amount you can do to tweak it depending on the opposition etc. Hes shown little not no adaptability regardless of form, injuries or opposition. I doubt they expected that.
Maybe I'm wrong and I've not watched every minute of every Utd game, especially this season but from I've seen he has tinkered within his set-up. There have been changes to who has played in the midfield two and not just different names but styles of central midfielder, similarly the two 10's, the striker and wingbacks. The issue is that whatever he's tried hasn't worked.
I think we're in agreement that he's ultimately failed and needs replacing (well I'd rather he stayed but anyway) but I just don't see this system issue as big a deal as others.
And they turned out to be wrong?
Does that make it the owners fault or the pundits/fans fault?
Who hired and fired Ashworth? I didn't.
I'd argue the expectation is far to high personally from both pundits and fanbase, take this season as an example, 15th last year (15th!!!), and yet the expectation largely was cl qualification - hell you has some people change their mind and put you higher up tbe table after a loss in the opening game of the season, a loss!. Utter madness.
You all agreed with it though that's the point. You can't keep thinking decisions taken by the owners/management are great then 6-12months down the line turn round as say we'll that was crap, the owners don't know what they are doing. If you as a fanbase think the owners are clueless but you've all agreed with them doesn't that make you lot just as clueless?
Do you think you'd be better off, worse off, or about the same if ashworth had gotten his way (apparently) and appointed Southgate?
Apparently he also wanted Frank?
Would have been a good appointment, but again he's another you turned your noses up at
At the time I thought Ashworth was the most promising appointment INEOS made. We don't know what happened behind the scenes, but as it stands it looks like we should've listened to him instead of Berrada and Ratcliffe.
I thought going for Amorim was a reasonably smart move, and I actually think the same applied to Ten Hag before. They need to think long and hard about the next man though.
Perhaps rather worryingly, I am starting to come around to the idea of Southgate as interim. We know he's very limited, but in terms of keeping things simple and coaching the players through crushing adversity, he might be the ideal man.
Either way, you can't try and lay the blame for this at the fans' door, fans will always try and find reasons to support the club and ultimately they have no real say in anything.
I thought going for Amorim was a reasonably smart move, and I actually think the same applied to Ten Hag before. They need to think long and hard about the next man though.
Perhaps rather worryingly, I am starting to come around to the idea of Southgate as interim. We know he's very limited, but in terms of keeping things simple and coaching the players through crushing adversity, he might be the ideal man.
Either way, you can't try and lay the blame for this at the fans' door, fans will always try and find reasons to support the club and ultimately they have no real say in anything.
Put down the crack pipe, Robbo.
He has done nothing but get Middlesborough relegated and waste a good set of England players and set them up to fail.
You could throw that approach/logic at any championship and above manager.
And then, on the plus side, you wouldn’t have to sit through turgid football and watch a man in a waistcoat to boot.
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C Kent will chirp next season "you all wanted/didn't want Southgate"
just ignore the troll.
I've already said you should be looking at glazna, flogging fernades and mainoo and go big on a Wharton (or Stiller as a cheaper option) in january, I think glazna' contract is up end of the season, so if you dont want to fork out cash just wait utill then and go for an interim, or muddle along with amorim until end of the season and hope you dont get relegated...
And yet I've not been wrong about anything to do with your club, you just dont like hearing it
OK, I'll call The Rat now and tell him to do as you sayI've already said you should be looking at glazna, flogging fernades and mainoo and go big on a Wharton (or Stiller as a cheaper option) in january, I think glazna' contract is up end of the season, so if you dont want to fork out cash just wait utill then and go for an interim, or muddle along with amorim until end of the season and hope you dont get relegated...
And yet I've not been wrong about anything to do with your club, you just dont like hearing it
Your posting history suggests you're never wrong about anything
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Silly me, I thought this was a football discussion forum.
So... They will probably hire him!
I think I read somewhere, whether true or not, that they understand the outcry from fans if they did that would be too damaging.