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Yes I'm sure you would tolerate if I record your daughter in the toilet at work. And be protected by the company
Hahhaha
Do lots of young people not work these days ?
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Yes I'm sure you would tolerate if I record your daughter in the toilet at work. And be protected by the company
Hahhaha
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You seem to be losing the plot.
Where have I claimed you should tolerate it?
You’re acting like everywhere is like this.
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You don't have a clue . So carry on work there , suck it up eh?
Hahaha and I'm sure you'd be fine if I was your manager I'd be stealing from your timesheet as well.
You don't have a clue . So carry on work there , suck it up eh?
Hahaha and I'm sure you'd be fine if I was your manager I'd be stealing from your timesheet as well.
I have a clue that you’ve given up on work entirely and decided benefits are the way forward as you’ve told us so.
All the while claiming people are jealous of your 20 year old audio equipment in the home cinema section.
Very strange behaviour tbh, but you do you. When other people are always the issue in multiple jobs, it’s probably time to do some self reflection.
Nobody has claimed you should be putting up with any of that by the way. You’re creating strawman arguments to deflect from the point.
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You're absolutely right it's my fault the manager psychically and mentally abused multiple staff and stole from multiple people
Remember Jimmy saville it was the kids fault.
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Another strawman argument and now resorting to personal attacks.
Have some self awareness and realise how you’re coming across in this thread.
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Hornetstinger has gone about it the wrong way but cleaners and shelf stackers shouldn’t be paid the same if not more than the job spec posted. That’s the biggest issue with national minimum wage at the moment. People are realising that not working vs working the pay difference is tiny.
Even worse, you realise 4-5 years of study and mounting debt and your barely paid more then minimum wage in your entrance job. If you even manage to stay in the same field.
Even worse, you realise 4-5 years of study and mounting debt and your barely paid more then minimum wage in your entrance job. If you even manage to stay in the same field.
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When I was working got 10p less as shelf stacker than the other job which involved pc tech support hardware software and coding
With the pc job having very high level of responsibility, clean room regs, drug testing,
So for that tech job I'd accept it for £20 and hour.
And wanting a decent dinner break
As they say pay peanuts get monkeys.
Minimum wage is definitely too high in the sense that some jobs, or some workers, simply aren't productive enough to justify its level. The bottom 10% or so of workers just isn't worth that level of pay
The problem, though, is that minimum wage HAS to be that high because cost of living is so high, and people really should be able to live at a sensible minimum standard of living off the back of a full time job.
Housing and energy costs are really what drives the problem, and both have been driven upwards by political choices for the past 40+ years.
I think we overpay some jobs and underpay many others.
Look at the lockdown, look at the 'essential' workers and look how little they're paid compared to those on much higher incomes you didn't notice weren't there.
Low paid essential workers kept the country running.
I can understand why youngsters may not have any incentive. They look at the job scene and a majority could work their backsides off and not be able to cover the basics and save for a house, family or whatever.
It's not laziness, it's a lack of hope due to the wealth being shifted upwards and locked away in assets.
Look at the lockdown, look at the 'essential' workers and look how little they're paid compared to those on much higher incomes you didn't notice weren't there.
Low paid essential workers kept the country running.
I can understand why youngsters may not have any incentive. They look at the job scene and a majority could work their backsides off and not be able to cover the basics and save for a house, family or whatever.
It's not laziness, it's a lack of hope due to the wealth being shifted upwards and locked away in assets.
Well yes, isn't the point of having a minimum wage to try and avoid exploitation and try to ensure working people are paid enough to live on?
There is a problem if it is assumed that salaries for "other" jobs will increase to maintain differentials. In practice what happens is a lot of salary compression at the lower end, particularly if the annual increase in minimum wage is greater than the increase in wages for roles paid a bit more. Minimum wage ends up being the long term default salary for a lot of jobs.
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With that wage, you be respecting the company more than yourself. That's the first mistake.
But at least they had the decency the post the hourly rate instead of putting "Competitive" for salary.
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Yup, a load of them were waved through during covid and a load of sickfluencers popped up, knowledge spread via word of mouth etc.. and we've seen a big increase in things like PIP claims. The mental health claims in particular are popular among young people and practically unfalsifiable - things like getting a free car* via motability are tempting too.... even available to people with things like ADHD or anxiety etc.. only a small portion of those vehicles actually require adaptions for physically disabled people.
*in b4 "ackchually you can't keep the car and sell it, it's leased" - actually an even better deal, that means you have a brand new-max 3 years old car (renewed every 3 years) indefinitely, complete with free insurance, free breakdown cover etc.. for as long as you're getting PIP enhanced mobility - which if you've managed to wangle with an unfalsifiable claim is going to be for as long as the current tick box/points system remains unreformed.
These days whenever you see a bad parking pic or a viral video of some chav going nuts in a car there's a high chance it's one of the motability mafia in their free cars - can be checked online quite easily by entering the plate.
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That wouldn't be too bad if it was your business as you're starting up etc so own income expectations are low or you're just doing it casually. I've done self employed thing but it it was just far and few between, small jobs so tack on say £25-£40 for a hour or two.. But it's not your business.
You're basically working for peanuts , for the person at the top.
That would be ok for someone to be learning apprentice, you stay there to get skills...then move elseware. But for someone with that level- not a chance. You're there for YOUR benefit as getting experience..
I'd accept a managers role now, nothing below that. With all the benefits, such as being able to beat employees up, steal money, sexually assault staff, and not be sacked.
Unless you're also scamming some sickness benefits etc.. too then you're obliged to look for work while on benefits - it's not supposed to be optional.
If you're deliberately turning down or not applying for work because of some inflated ego issues when you have an obligation to do so as part of collecting those benefits then you're grifting the system - you're one of the many people taking advantage of benefits while not being included in the official "fraud" stats.
Your knowledge and experience is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, not what you think you ought to be able to get - if you're in tech and not able to get anything much beyond minimum wage then you simply don't have much in the way of worthwhile skills to set you apart from entry level people people with a basic vocational college education.
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I just showed you employers are taking the mick with that minimum wage skilled job.
As for the first part well racist English people should have thought of that. Now they pay my benefits. **** em.
