Junior Doctors Strikes

swillsy said:
I think they've missed a trick tbh! Postponing the strike would have definitely bought some favour and strengthened bargaining however now it just looks greedy/dangerous.
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I think we're well past the point that public opinion is important, the residents only need to break the Gov, and they can do this with a strike every month and just pick up locums afterwards.

Stopping this strike would have lead to apathy where as by the looks of it strike turnout is rising and the poll this weekend had an very high turnout.

Plus it's a great time for 5 days off before Xmas, we're not expecting many to show up.
 
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Minstadave said:
The misinformation around Flu is going to kill people, the hospital never runs better than during strikes but it's being touted as an apocalypse about to happen.
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Curious about both points you’ve raised here:
What misinformation, is the press over exaggerating this flu ‘epidemic’?
And do the hospitals actually run more efficiently in your experience, why is that? Less patients in for minor issues or less bloat plus heightened awareness/planning?
 
shifty_uk said:
Curious about both points you’ve raised here:
What misinformation, is the press over exaggerating this flu ‘epidemic’?
And do the hospitals actually run more efficiently in your experience, why is that? Less patients in for minor issues or less bloat plus heightened awareness/planning?
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Flu numbers are similar to last year:

www.bbc.co.uk

Flu in five charts - how this year's winter outbreak is different

NHS England says it's facing a "worst-case scenario" after flu hospital cases jump 55% in a week.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

The reason the hospital runs better is the vast number of senior decision makers on the shop floor.
 
As it transpires the BMA were so keen on the formation of a national health service that they marched against it. It is therefore quite natural that they strike in the middle of winter increasing hazard and the potential for extending people's wait for treatments.

The call to resident doctors to go into work next week by the health secretary is to be welcomed as a democratic response to the ********* of the resident junior doctors leadership.
 
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Hagar said:
As it transpires the BMA were so keen on the formation of a national health service that they marched against it. It is therefore quite natural that they strike in the middle of winter increasing hazard and the potential for extending people's wait for treatments.

The call to resident doctors to go into work next week by the health secretary is to be welcomed as a democratic response to the idiocracy of the resident junior doctors leadership.
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But they're not increasing hazard or extending waits, don't buy into the propaganda. They're just costing a lot of money. We breath a sigh or relief when the strikes come round, it means we can staff our rotas properly and decompress the hospital.

Nearly all elective activity still goes ahead and risk, if anything, is far lower. Every year the NHS cancels vast amounts of elective work to simply survive, you never see the Gov mentioning that. The current Gov's cost saving measures have every trust looking at scrapping or delaying huge amounts of elective appointments/operations, this is being kept very quiet.

The are only 2 reasons this hasn't been settled, one is Wes needs this to launch his PM campaign and the second is that if Doctors get a deal then the whole of AfC and perhaps the public sector will have the cheek to oppose next years subinflation pay rise.
 
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Minstadave said:
But they're not increasing hazard or extending waits, don't buy into the propaganda. They're just costing a lot of money. We breath a sigh or relief when the strikes come round, it means we can staff our rotas properly and decompress the hospital.

Nearly all elective activity still goes ahead and risk, if anything, is far lower. Every year the NHS cancels vast amounts of elective work to simply survive, you never see the Gov mentioning that. The current Gov's cost saving measures have every trust looking at scrapping or delaying huge amounts of elective appointments/operations, this is being kept very quiet.

The are only 2 reasons this hasn't been settled, one is Wes needs this to launch his PM campaign and the second is that if Doctors get a deal then the whole of AfC and perhaps the public sector will have the cheek to oppose next years subinflation pay rise.
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I appreciate you still willing to post this stuff, despite our recent back and fro. People need to know about it.
 
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Hagar said:
I guess it means they should all do it. An informed public is a better public.
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This is one of the problems when the surgeries are not owned by the NHS directly, you will get these inconsistencies. I did recently go to my surgery after your first post on it, and yep the walls are bare, barring one poster for child care, and a few clocks on the wall.
 
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chrcoluk said:
This is one of the problems when the surgeries are not owned by the NHS directly, you will get these inconsistencies. I did recently go to my surgery after your first post on it, and yep the walls are bare, barring one poster for child care, and a few clocks on the wall.
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We have vaccine information for OAP, children and pregnant women, pharmacy services information, services for people under 21, sexual health info, violence against NHS staff, treat yourself, home medical chests etc., etc. A few clocks also.
All easy to read whilst waiting.
 
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Hagar said:
We have vaccine information for OAP, children and pregnant women, pharmacy services information, services for people under 21, sexual health info, violence against NHS staff, treat yourself, home medical chests etc., etc. A few clocks also.
All easy to read whilst waiting.
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None of that at mine, except for the clock to show you how late the doctor is. Oh yes, and a few notices about not abusing the staff.
 
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Minstadave said:
But they're not increasing hazard or extending waits, don't buy into the propaganda. They're just costing a lot of money. We breath a sigh or relief when the strikes come round, it means we can staff our rotas properly and decompress the hospital.

Nearly all elective activity still goes ahead and risk, if anything, is far lower. Every year the NHS cancels vast amounts of elective work to simply survive, you never see the Gov mentioning that. The current Gov's cost saving measures have every trust looking at scrapping or delaying huge amounts of elective appointments/operations, this is being kept very quiet.

The are only 2 reasons this hasn't been settled, one is Wes needs this to launch his PM campaign and the second is that if Doctors get a deal then the whole of AfC and perhaps the public sector will have the cheek to oppose next years subinflation pay rise.
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If there is no impact on the waiting times, or indeed the NHS becomes more efficient during strikes, then why do we need so many junior/resident doctors?
 
swillsy said:
I think they've missed a trick tbh! Postponing the strike would have definitely bought some favour and strengthened bargaining however now it just looks greedy/dangerous.
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Postponing wont strengthen their bargaining power. If anything it does the opposite.
 
Hades said:
If there is no impact on the waiting times, or indeed the NHS becomes more efficient during strikes, then why do we need so many junior/resident doctors?
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That's an easy one, cost. The NHS pays quite considerable amounts for consultants to give up either their free time or admin time to work on the shop floor (along with all the ANPs/ACPs etc.). If we did this full time the cost would be staggering plus you'd kill all is old folks.

Its about quarter to half a billion pounds for each 5 day strike.

Residents are much cheaper and you need to have residents to replace the consultants.
 
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