Junior Doctors Strikes
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I am confused on the pay, they say they get less than 30k as Juniors, this image contradicts it. Bear in mind the dark blue is historical, the lighter colour is current. It also shows impressive inflation on the recent increases. Circa 30k to almost 40k in 3 years.
If you combine the increase for experience, someone in 2022 on 30k would now be on about over 50k 3 years later. So many other people can only wish for that that kind of salary growth.
Its not a permanent level of pay, the lower pay levels are temporary as experience builds up.
If you combine the increase for experience, someone in 2022 on 30k would now be on about over 50k 3 years later. So many other people can only wish for that that kind of salary growth.
Its not a permanent level of pay, the lower pay levels are temporary as experience builds up.
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I am confused on the pay, they say they get less than 30k as Juniors, this image contradicts it. Bear in mind the dark blue is historical, the lighter colour is current. It also shows impressive inflation on the recent increases. Circa 30k to almost 40k in 3 years.
If you combine the increase for experience, someone in 2022 on 30k would now be on about over 50k 3 years later. So many other people can only wish for that that kind of salary growth.
Ssh their all on £18.62 per hour.
How will that happen if they're always on strike?
Where did I suggest that?
But that’s just 3 years of data that the government want you to see. The very low growth is when you look further back. My first house job in 2002 was circa 30k. It’s crappy growth from thatI am confused on the pay, they say they get less than 30k as Juniors, this image contradicts it. Bear in mind the dark blue is historical, the lighter colour is current. It also shows impressive inflation on the recent increases. Circa 30k to almost 40k in 3 years.
If you combine the increase for experience, someone in 2022 on 30k would now be on about over 50k 3 years later. So many other people can only wish for that that kind of salary growth.
Its not a permanent level of pay, the lower pay levels are temporary as experience builds up.
That ship has sailed, not really relevant to today. Not to mention these Junior doctors were children then. they were not NHS employees.
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So if you go by the wage when you were a child, then if you are 23 now (about the age of a first year resident doctor), you should be happy earning £4.50 an hour for your first 3 years...not the £12+ it is now.
£30kish is about warehouse work for unsociable hours with no training, no university debt, no ongoing professional costs for training, qualifications or memberships of a professional body. Not to mention actual enforced caps on working hours and breaks (IIRC a doctor or nurse cannot legally take any break if there isn't sufficient cover,* unlike say a warehouse worker who the employer has to let have a break after X time).
*Similar issue for ambulance staff, I remember a few years back some of the papers instigating hate campaigns against ambulance staff for "letting patients die", when the staff in question (there were several cases) were on a break and had opted out of the pittance extra they could get for having their breaks interrupted, so the control room didn't even attempt to contact them. Any sane person would understand why you might want to not rely on staffing levels that don't allow people who are expected to drive at speed and give medical care for 12 hours per shift a chance to recover a bit in that period - especially when the government spends a small fortune on PSA's telling people to take a break from driving if they're tired and legally enforces breaks for other professional drivers.
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If the BBC data is right its the pay for the first year. By year 4 they circa 50k, that is far better than been a warehouse worker where not only will your pay be fairly static, you might be lucky to even still have a job after 3 years.
The idea that its been compared to unskilled work is misleading. Greggs employees, warehouse staff dont get a 20k year payrise in 3 years.
I am happy to be corrected if these doctors are on a static 30k salary for 3 years. (they claiming 26k). The graph shows the starting pay is now close to 40k and by year 3 over 55k (it will likely by higher after 2026 and 2027 increases), is there data to show its even 30k?
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you have to understand also that the salary goes up, but so does their experience and the responsibility of the role as well. It’s not a static thing that you do the same job until a consultant. You will be further up the chain of command, expected to manage more yourself and to support the juniors below you and take significantly more responsibility
In many jobs experience doesnt lead to higher pay, just to a higher likelihood you wont be culled on the next firings. Unless someone comes here and convinces me that BBC data is wrong, I can understand if they dont have a lot of empathy. The starting is effectively a first year lack of experience pay, and then it rises rapidly going forward.
Until I seen that graph I was under the impression these doctors were stuck on 26k for multiple years.
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Well there is year 1 pay, however it’s not a zero experience role, it’s 5 years training first. Don’t consider it like many degrees as it’s not really comparable. There is then a pay rise from f1, but the bigger rises down the line will involve exams being passed, they are by no means guaranteed roles as ST1 and higher roles.
Starting wages is £36,616. (40hr weeks they are contracted to)
Warehouse workers are £19,000-30,000. (40-48 hours they are contracted to)
To claim warehouse worker has no training etc shows your complete lack of understanding of the industry you don't get the 30k as you claim for being a nobody.
You don't appear to understand the medical industry either people are not suppose to become a general doctor to become rich it used to be these people wanted to help others and received a good standard of living plus status in society for doing so (If you wanted £££ you would get into cosmetic side of things)
This country has laws in place and employees are treated very well (Go practice in Asia or even US you end up almost living in the hospital)
Not sure what the point of the ambulance staff story was it's not the same thing the media making up a story to get people annoyed who are to stupid to even look up regulations etc which ambulance staff have to follow.
Doctors are no worse off than any equivalent professional career in fact better paid than many. My occupation of Civil Engineering, I was professionally qualified. There were high flyers and there were the also rans. I paid my fees to the institution. I negotiated my own salary and bonuses, never went on strike and was happy in a career which was fulfilling, often very long hours in dirty and wet conditions designing and building bridges and tunnels for road and rail infrastructure.
My salary peaked at 60k odd a few years before I retired in 2017 and I live on a pension equivalent to an average family income. Looking at the pay scales for a five year resident doctor in early thirties they seem reasonable to me in comparison today.
My salary peaked at 60k odd a few years before I retired in 2017 and I live on a pension equivalent to an average family income. Looking at the pay scales for a five year resident doctor in early thirties they seem reasonable to me in comparison today.
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This is something doctors can't do (within the NHS). Salaries are fixed and controlled by the Government and used to control inflation, bonuses dont exist. It gives you little option but to strike.
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There was no other option and before you claim it as a big advantage, some years i won a bit but others I lost. One thing that I am sure of though is that the BMA would resist individual wage bargaining like a hole in the head. It robs them of all their power. Doctors too probably like the security of the herd.
Bonuses relied on company profitability and again on a good few occasions there was none.
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Damn AI can't come fast enough to teach these JDs a lesson and take their jobs
NHS probably can't afford the upfront cost of AI if they can't pay their staff properly.
Will be a long way off before AI takes any jobs in the NHS.