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I had a brief look at the iX3 and thought it seemed pretty good, it's certainly one of the better EV's out there at the moment. I might be tempted by the Model Y Performance over an iX3 though...
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How much more do you want to give people who are in a position to afford a new car?
I think they should go the other way and remove these new EV discounts , make them stand toe to toe with their ICE equivalents but actually stick with the promises made to EV owners that they were cheap to run.
pay per mile will need to come in at some point, but if they want EVs to be genuinely encouraged over ice imo they should be added to all NEW cars (ICE and EV)
if any sweeteners are needed for new cars how about putting x number of free kWh fast charging them to lessen the pain of those who can't solely charge at home......
but imo they need to stop giving sweetners to those who can afford to get a brand new car whilst offsetting those costs by butt .... ing those buying 2nd hand cars, as well as screwing over those who knowing payed more up front for an EV on the promise of cheap running costs that would save money over the lifetime of the car.
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They drove a fairly low spec model with the base 20" wheels and achieved fairly impressive range figures.
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The EV grant should be abolished no doubt about it. The 3 years grace for ppm for new EVs would be reasonable to reduce the admin burden, and give an incentive to buy new EVs (replacing the grant).
The used car market is dependent on new cars entering said market so I think it's reasonable
Ppm for ice cars is basically baked into the fuel duty already, the EV ppm scheme basically brings this to EV vehicles at half the rate (or less depending on fuel prices).
Honestly even buying a used EV with 3p ppm will still be cheaper to run than an ice equivalent. For me, even with the 3ppm add on i'm still quids in at 8 months into owning an EV
I don't normally mind quirky designs but that looks... terrible!
The new i3 will be the one to go for, I'm sure!
Rear lights just make me think of Mitsubishi.
So headline numbers were, 100kph average, up to 130kph when they could, and did 529km with 90% of the battery..
In UK terms, that's an average of 62mph, max of 80mph and 328 miles on 98kwh of battery (90% of 108.7kW) which works out at 3.3m/kwh..
Its OK, but fairly middle of the road.. The reason it sounds impressive is purely the size of battery, that's a massive battery pack..
For contrast, 3 up, doing 80mph (cruise, so 79mph in reality) for as much of a journey as I could (Chelthenham to the Lakes, 202 miles), average of 61mph, and 79% of the journey is between 70 and 80 (adaptive cruise set at 80), 3.9m/kWh in the Model Y.
Just trying to find a long journey I've been on a long private driveway
with higher speeds, and found one with cruise set at 85-87mph,doing a cornwall run, 66mph average, with ~30% of the journey at 85+ mph (adaptive cruise again)and that was pretty much bang on 3.37m/kwh
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I have a feeling I've screwed myself into the higher VED bracket.
The car I have a receipt for was £49,990. But because I wasn't going to recieve it before the quarter ended they changed me to a car with premium paint... so if I understand the rules correctly it doesn't matter my deal was 49,990 I would be over the 50k threshhold
The car I have a receipt for was £49,990. But because I wasn't going to recieve it before the quarter ended they changed me to a car with premium paint... so if I understand the rules correctly it doesn't matter my deal was 49,990 I would be over the 50k threshhold
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I have a feeling I've screwed myself into the higher VED bracket.
The car I have a receipt for was £49,990. But because I wasn't going to recieve it before the quarter ended they changed me to a car with premium paint... so if I understand the rules correctly it doesn't matter my deal was 49,990 I would be over the 50k threshhold
If the RRP is over 50k, then I think so :/
That's infuriatingly annoying especially as it was the free colour I wanted originally anyway. Such as life I guess.
Whose fault is it?I have a feeling I've screwed myself into the higher VED bracket.
The car I have a receipt for was £49,990. But because I wasn't going to recieve it before the quarter ended they changed me to a car with premium paint... so if I understand the rules correctly it doesn't matter my deal was 49,990 I would be over the 50k threshhold
If it's their fault I'd be on the blower pronto aiming to get a discount. An extra £2k is a lot!
I guess mine. To be fair I assumed I'd be paying the higher rate anyway as the changes were made after I bought the car. But I heard people getting new log books and wondered where mine was as I only paid the 49,990 but then remembered they 'upgraded' me to the quicksilver paint and I see that the price is based on the RRP not actually what you paid.
Feel a bit sick at that thought but it is what it is I guess.
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So headline numbers were, 100kph average, up to 130kph when they could, and did 529km with 90% of the battery..
In UK terms, that's an average of 62mph, max of 80mph and 328 miles on 98kwh of battery (90% of 108.7kW) which works out at 3.3m/kwh..
Its OK, but fairly middle of the road.. The reason it sounds impressive is purely the size of battery, that's a massive battery pack..
3.8 miles per kWh at 60mph and 2.8 miles per kWh at 80mph.
Any experienced EV driver also knows it’s pointless comparing these numbers unless they were identical trips in identical conditions.
Even a mild tailwind vs headwind can make the same journey comparison totally invalid.
I find EVDB gives a solid reference for what to expect in identical conditions. And from EVDB an iX3 is about 8% less efficient than Model Y AWD Juniper. It is also about 13% heavier and will give about 100 miles more range.
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Thanks, I just watched the whole video and spotted those in the middle!
EVDB has no actual real world data for the new iX3, its all hypothetical, but I do agree we need more direct comparisons, I'm just saying that the YT video claiming impressive efficiency seems really exaggerating things by then presenting pretty middle of the road numbers.
What it does bring to the table is a huge battery with decent enough efficiency and good charging, which will make it useful in some situations, but the way people are talking is like it sets some new benchmarks which so far from all the data coming in just isn't true.
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True on EVDB for now but their numbers will still be far more valid than some test drives done in different conditions and environments.
I agree the iX3 seems a lot of hype from the mainstream reviewers for something that is nothing that special. I made a post in this thread saying I had sat in one at the BMW showroom and was unimpressed with how quirky it all felt. The Q6 I tested at Audi seemed nicer in a more conventional way.
Each to their own of course.
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The only tests I kind of think are fair are the Whatcar ones they do in convoy with the aim of trying to get as fair a result as they can, but even they go stupid when working out charging costs, but at least the majority of the actual range/efficiency tests are done under the same conditions!
Hopefully it'll grow on people, I'm still test driving one on Wednesday, followed immediately after by a Juniper model Y AWD Premium.. I have no doubts the iX3 will be a little more refined overall, I just want to experience how much as I do want to be tempted away from just getting another Model Y at the end of the year..
Just go in being pragmatic and objective and ignore all the hype. You also need to learn to accept efficiency isn’t the be all and end all of EV ownership.