Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

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Is anyone else as amused as I am at the BBC News Site with every single 'Have Your Say' they open up about the Referendum being immediately shot to pieces by the General Public completely ridiculing the blatant 'Stay!' BBC bias to boot! :D It's a shame they don't stay up long but catch them if you can! :D
 
doofer said:
Is anyone else as amused as I am at the BBC News Site with every single 'Have Your Say' they open up about the Referendum being immediately shot to pieces by the General Public completely ridiculing the blatant 'Stay!' BBC bias to boot! :D It's a shame they don't stay up long but catch them if you can! :D
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It's all revolutionary...


"is there any chance that we can have a referendum on ditching the licence fee too?"

It is NOT compulsory.

That's 3-0 to the BBC's pro EU Vs Anti EU headlines.
Your impartiality is in tatters BBC. Hopefully along with your charter renewal.

You are lieing BBC and scaremongering.
It is nothing short of gutter journalism.
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Still it's some to read at lunchtime.
 
Watching Daily Politics atm, Labour MP getting owned.

Labour MP: "We need to bring in more skilled workers from abroad to do skilled work and contribute to our economy."
Tory MP: "Why can't we train up local people to do these jobs?"
Labour MP: "These are skilled jobs that local people can't do."

Now I'm fairly left leaning, but the chances of me EVER voting Labour are nil. They are so stubborn, and persist in wanting to bring more and more and more foreign workers into the UK to take all the skilled jobs we might have.

Why do they want this? How does it benefit them? These foreign skilled workers are just as likely to vote Tory as Labour, probably more so. So all they succeed in doing is taking away training opportunities for British people.

Well no wonder there's a skills shortage if the left wing policital party would prefer to import skilled labour rather than train people.

Really, to vote Labour at the moment, you would have to have some kind of perverse desire to destroy this country in a flood of immigration.
 
scorza said:
I can't help noticing that two thirds of FTSE100 chiefs didn't put their name to that letter - the remain campaign were expecting half of them to. This should be seen as a marginal victory for the Leave campaign.
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Ah, but will the other two-thirds put their name to the opposite: a statement that Britain should leave. I would be genuinely surprised if they did. Keeping quiet is not the same as agreement.
 
How near to the General Public vote do you guys think this poll is ?

Most forum polls are reflective of this one however I feel the female vote ( majority of this forum is male ) will swing it totally the other way and lead us to stay .
 
scorza said:
Unpopular TTIP free trade deal to be rushed this year by EU negotiators and USA. I suspect that this has more to do with getting it done while Obama is still in office, but it worries me what the EU is going to agree and think we should be told before the referendum. Something tells me it's going to be very good for German exporters, not so good for everyone else. Why can't we have our own trade agreement with the USA, that works for Britain?
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Counter-point to consider. The main public opposition to TTIP arose in Europe and a lot of the campaign and what we know about it has come from there. They still have to actually get it through the EU Parliament and that's no sure thing. The EU Parliament has put its foot down before when public outcry has been loud enough (patent reform bills the commission wanted to shove through and the MEPs blocked it). I honestly believe that if UK had been doing this unilaterally, they would have signed it before we the public even knew what was happening - Conservatives, LibDems and Labour are all in favour of it. Well, the first two are. Not sure exactly where Corbyn stands now he has the reigns.
 
Moses said:
Wasn't that in the context of chefs who cook particular cuisines - eg. Indian restaurants? Didn't they also say there was a special curry school which was set up which has failed to train an appreciable number of people? I only had it on whilst doing something else, so wasn't really paying attention.
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Labour's general stance to all skills shortages is to bring in as many foreign workers as they can. Doesn't make any sense to me.

There was that admission from one of Labour's policy advisors...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...K-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

And now 1/3 of university placements are taken by foreign students, and 1/5 of skilled jobs are taken by foreign workers.

That 1/5 will soon be 1/3 since you can't have more British workers in skilled jobs than the ratio of British to foreign university students.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...ts-fill-one-in-five-skilled-British-jobs.html

It is a mystery to me why Labour continue to want to push more immigration. They are 100% out of touch with what the general public want.
 
Bald-Eagle22 said:
How near to the General Public vote do you guys think this poll is ?

Most forum polls are reflective of this one however I feel the female vote ( majority of this forum is male ) will swing it totally the other way and lead us to stay .
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Interesting. I'm female. Suspect I'm strongly in the minority here. I've not noticed any gender bias, but I'm not sure I would. I think it would be far out-weighed by my demographic bias which is mostly very educated and ranging from early twenties to late thirties. I find people to the younger end of my social range are more in favour of Europe. Upper end... a bit of a mix.

I actually think the tech community in Britain might be slightly more biased towards leaving than the general population, but it's just an impression I have. Friends outside the field seem to be more pro-EU. This might have concerned me once, when I thought that people in the tech industry were smarter on average than people outside it. But as I grew older in the field, I realized we're as filled with idiots as anywhere else - we just make longer arguments to support what we've already decided than other people.
 
FoxEye said:
Labour's general stance to all skills shortages is to bring in as many foreign workers as they can. Doesn't make any sense to me.

There was that admission from one of Labour's policy advisors...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...K-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

And now 1/3 of university placements are taken by foreign students, and 1/5 of skilled jobs are taken by foreign workers.

That 1/5 will soon be 1/3 since you can't have more British workers in skilled jobs than the ratio of British to foreign university students.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...ts-fill-one-in-five-skilled-British-jobs.html

It is a mystery to me why Labour continue to want to push more immigration. They are 100% out of touch with what the general public want.
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They think that "rubbing 'the right's' nose in diversity" is more important than standing up for ordinary working class people now. Sad really.
 
Bald-Eagle22 said:
How near to the General Public vote do you guys think this poll is ?

Most forum polls are reflective of this one however I feel the female vote ( majority of this forum is male ) will swing it totally the other way and lead us to stay .
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Mould ignore this forums poll. The results of the for general election poll were laughable. This forums is full of UKippers, far-right conservatives, europsckeptics.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11617702/poll.html

Currently about 54% to remain vs 46% leave. If you look over the past months the remain has been pretty much always significantly above the leave. Cameron's recent 'deal' fiasco caused the 2 to meet but looks like things are moving back. Also if you look at the long term multi-year graph the last few years the remain vote has always been well above the leave, it's just closing slowly more recently. Previously there were much closer though, and some big wild swings in the last.


A lot can also be learned for The Scottish referendum. At one stage it looked 50-50 but on the day the independence vote was thoroughly destroyed.
 
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Bald-Eagle22 said:
How near to the General Public vote do you guys think this poll is ?

Most forum polls are reflective of this one however I feel the female vote ( majority of this forum is male ) will swing it totally the other way and lead us to stay .
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Not very close imo. I think you can expect the polls to exaggerate the Leave vote so it appears close (and the polling companies can sell more polls) but when it comes down to it I'd expect the stay result to win 55-60% of the vote. There's just so much against the Leave campaign - from the taxpayer funded civil service being instructed to campaign to stay, to the Murdoch owned press who will no doubt beating the EU drum in the weeks to come. All the Leave campaigns have is logic and reasoning, which as we know from history tends not to count for much come British referendums :(
 
FoxEye said:
And now 1/3 of university placements are taken by foreign students, and 1/5 of skilled jobs are taken by foreign workers.

That 1/5 will soon be 1/3 since you can't have more British workers in skilled jobs than the ratio of British to foreign university students.
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Making invalid associations there - the majority of foreign students leave the country after their studies. Most skilled workers come here after gaining their skills elsewhere. The future isn't always the same as the past of course, but it's not as clear cut as you make out.

FoxEye said:
Well it's sad that the Tories these days have a more legitimate claim to being "the party of aspiration" than the Labour party.
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The Conservatives always were? Labour is the party of wealth transfer to the poor - the last thing they want to do is get rid of the poor, that's their vote.
 
Moses said:
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I see what your saying. Again why has France vetoed it already but Cameron won't?
This means to me that as the tory party have said concerning the TTIP "the NHS is still on the table"

Now if the government wanted to protect the NHS they would veto it now.

"The controversial transatlantic trade deal set to be agreed this year would mean that privatisation of elements of the NHS could be made irreversible for future governments wanting to restore services to public hands, according to a new legal analysis."

"The legal advice was prepared by one of the UK’s leading QCs on European law for the Unite trade union, which will reveal on Monday that it has been holding talks with the government about the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership"

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/22/ttip-deal-real-serious-risk-nhs-leading-qc

I'm not scaremongering, I'm stating fact. Roll on Monday.

And as for Cameron hiding things
"Anger as government blocks TTIP legal documents relating to health service"
http://www.theguardian.com/business...locks-ttip-legal-documents-nhs-health-service

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...-investment-partnership-impact-on-the-NHS.pdf
 
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Bald-Eagle22 said:
How near to the General Public vote do you guys think this poll is ?
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Here's how OCuk compared against the general public at the last election:

Party: OCuk / actual result (difference)

Conservatives: 42% / 37% (+5)
Labour: 18% / 30% (-12)
Lib Dem: 7% / 8% (-1)
UKIP: 16% / 13% (+3)
Green: 6% / 4% (+2)
SNP: 4% / 5% (-1)

It feels like the EU referendum is the ends against the middle. Centralists want to remain, those on the fringes want to leave. OCuk definitely has a bias towards the fringes.
 
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