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Just how 'real' are those Zwift miles compared to road riding? I mean, 24 mph average over that distance just sounds super human to me. Then again I'm very amateur compared to you lot! :p

Some of it comes down to zwifters willing to go downhill at 60mph. I know I wouldn't have the nerve to do that in real life.
 
Ha. In the only Zwift race I did I got dropped when my speed/cadence sensors dropped out going uphill. Sprinted back on and hoped to recover on the downhill... nope! Turns out people race down the hill too!
 
I've seen people purposely push super hard on the downhills that immediately precede uphills - to make the uphill less hurty, but then also the lag comes into play which really messes with your head - so sometimes you get this comical situation where you've just sailed up a hill because you've had the mother of all run-ups, but then when you get to the top of the hill suddenly the turbo gives you the pain of the hill you just got up, despite on screen being well clear of it. On rolling hills it's just ridiculous. You do eventually get tuned into the 2 to 3 seconds lag, but not before learning a few hard lessons.
 
So I guess Zwift is meant to work out your speed and resistance based on your power and weight. So if I was to put in 10kg as my weight I'd find it really easy?
 
I find Zwift a bit of a weird one. I'm totally non competitive when it comes to comparing myself to others but I do tend to use Strava as a motivator, especially this time of year, but I don't really feel I can do that now. I used to go on and think "Wow, Joe Bloggs put in a 50 mile ride yesterday. I can't use the cold as an excuse for not getting in at least 30." Most of my 'feed' is now Zwift though and massive rides at speeds that I couldn't even get close to if I smashed myself for everything I've got over 5 miles!

I have tried Zwift myself so I know it isn't easy to get the miles in that way but equally I don't see it the same as road riding yet there doesn't really seem to be a differentiation on Strava. Not that it matters, I just have to use my own historic mileage (or lack of) as my motivator from now on.
 
So I guess Zwift is meant to work out your speed and resistance based on your power and weight. So if I was to put in 10kg as my weight I'd find it really easy?

No, resistance is determined by the difficulty setting within Zwift for any given gradient or that of the workout mode.

Your speed will be determined by your w/kg which comes down to entered weight & power output. Lie about your weight and it doesn't make it any easier, just that you go faster (on screen) for the same given power as this boosts your power to weight ratio.
 
Ha. In the only Zwift race I did I got dropped when my speed/cadence sensors dropped out going uphill. Sprinted back on and hoped to recover on the downhill... nope! Turns out people race down the hill too!
Some of my best race results have been from hanging on during the climb and then nailing people on the downhill. I used to push harder on the downhills than the uphills for this as the momentum you can build up can create huge gaps, gaps on the climb are generally closed by pacing and surging over the top, gaps on the downhill are almost impossible to close due to the speeds. The drag effect is huge but overtaking riders are generally so fast you can't jump onto their wheels with enough of a kick to get the benefit and grab their wheel.

I have 60-65kg teammates who although they can really distance people on the climbs, need one of us heavier 75kg+ riders to tow them on the downhill otherwise heavy opponents can drop them. It works both ways!

I've seen people purposely push super hard on the downhills that immediately precede uphills - to make the uphill less hurty, but then also the lag comes into play which really messes with your head - so sometimes you get this comical situation where you've just sailed up a hill because you've had the mother of all run-ups, but then when you get to the top of the hill suddenly the turbo gives you the pain of the hill you just got up, despite on screen being well clear of it. On rolling hills it's just ridiculous. You do eventually get tuned into the 2 to 3 seconds lag, but not before learning a few hard lessons.
Yup, much of the delays of power from my on-wheel Vortex I learnt to use to my advantage, being able to spin it up for surges that those with more responsive trainers (with higher power curves) just couldn't react to. Also being able to kick at the bottom of climbs to surge while others where slowing up... Then generally by the top when their resistance eased, I had to learn to continue pushing, in such a way attacking over the summit of a climb also became another tactical 'trick'. Now I've switched to a direct drive I have none of these tricks up my sleeve and I'm having to relearn how to ride certain courses. For example I can't hit 'The Esses' hard on Watopia with my delayed power surges to distance people before the sprint. But get it done to me instead! The response of the DD just kills speed there, the delay of the Vortex meant you could really attack them as it couldn't ramp the resistance high or fast enough.

So I guess Zwift is meant to work out your speed and resistance based on your power and weight. So if I was to put in 10kg as my weight I'd find it really easy?
You'd get flagged as a weight doper!

Weights below 50kg I think need to be approved with ZADA ('Zwift Anti Doping Agency'), along with results over 5w/kg. Most race organisers and Admins will do their own vetting of results and work with ZADA. That's generally why Zwiftpower is the hub of all racing on Zwift, it used to be a separate site totally unaffiliated with Zwift as they didn't want to get involved with that side of it. They now fully support it and work with organisers & admins.

Zwiftpower now requires Zwift users to register and agree to T&C's which the majority of race admins require for you to even place. With the agreement you consent to them keeping your ride data, your FTP, your power output, your Strava details and even your weight 'history' from what you input. Admins can access all of this through ZP to help them quantify racers results.

There is such prolific 'cheating' on Zwift (Fliers, Sandbagging, motors etc) that most race admins require all of this information and riders 'opt in' before allowing them to even place in their results. As of yet, Admins & Ride Leaders do not have 'in game' tools to eject riders from their rides or due to the riders history, but it will probably come.

Much of this belongs in the Zwift thread anyway guys! :p

With the rankings in ZP now becoming a thing, along with 'CVR' points (which has quickly lead to the CVR World Cup leagues). Now riders data, results and verification is getting quite a hot topic. Especially now with real team racing, results and real world prizes at stake.

It's quite a recent thing so data is still a bit screwy, but here's my CVR points from various Zwift races. Points are calculated by those riders you raced against and your position relative to theirs, then position alone. At WBR rather than DQ'ing riders (which removes them from results & therefore having an effect on other valid riders' CVR points) the admins now add 10 hours to the finish time of none-ZP authorised/registered riders, so although they place in race results they can't 'win', yet riders racing against them are still rewarded points based on 'racing against' them.

Here is my ranking within the current CVR Zone E bracket C Winter '18 league. End of league rankings are currently taken from your top 6 race results points from 8 weeks. I've missed 2 weeks already so quite low down, my first week was also mess as I was entered in the wrong bracket and requested to be changed. I'm racing the rest of this league in support of a couple of teammates quite high up and to keep my position in C ready for next season.
 
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Weights below 50kg I think need to be approved with ZADA ('Zwift Anti Doping Agency'), along with results over 5w/kg. Most race organisers and Admins will do their own vetting of results and work with ZADA. That's generally why Zwiftpower is the hub of all racing on Zwift, it used to be a separate site totally unaffiliated with Zwift as they didn't want to get involved with that side of it. They now fully support it and work with organisers & admins.

Zwiftpower now requires Zwift users to register and agree to T&C's which the majority of race admins require for you to even place. With the agreement you consent to them keeping your ride data, your FTP, your power output, your Strava details and even your weight 'history' from what you input. Admins can access to all of this through ZP to quantify racers results.

There is such prolific 'cheating' on Zwift that most race admins require all of this information to allow you to even place in their results. As of yet, Admins & Ride Leaders do not have 'in game' tools to eject riders from their rides or due to the riders history, but it will probably come.

Much of this belongs in the Zwift thread anyway guys! :p

With the rankings in ZP now becoming a thing, along with 'CVR' points which has quickly lead to the CVR World Cup leagues. Now riders data, results and verification is getting quite a hot topic. Especially now with real team racing, results and real world prizes at stake.

It's quite a recent thing so data is still a bit screwy, but here's my CVR points from various Zwift races. Points are calculated by those riders you raced against and your position, not position alone. At WBR rather than DQ'ing riders (and having an effect on other riders' CVR points) the admins now add 10 hours to the finish time of none-ZP authorised/registered riders, so although they place in race results they can't 'win', yet riders racing against them are still rewarded points.

Here is my ranking within the current CVR Zone E bracket C Winter '18 league. End of league rankings are currently taken from your top 6 race results points from 8 weeks. I've missed 2 weeks already so quite low down, my first week was also mess as I was entered in the wrong bracket and requested to be changed. I'm racing the rest of this league in support of a couple of teammates quite high up and to keep my position in C ready for next season.


Interesting. I tried out Zwift for the first time at the weekend. Quite enjoyed it! Particularity the build up in power towards the top of climbs and the sprints for the lines. Thinking about it, it is that competition, and urge to push myself when I get overtaken which I have missed for the last 1.5 years. Thats 1.5 years since the group of guys I used to get out with regularly lost interest in cycling. :( :( :(

Not sure I'm ready to commit to buying a smart trainer and subscription yet though. Plus, it was a Tacx Neo i test drove, so was kinda spoilt.
 
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Freezing cold but no ice/frost. I rode on my ice tyres - I wouldn’t have ridden on regular tyres, I’d be sure to find the one bit of random black ice out there. Bloody hard work on those tyres, though. Roll on spring...
 
Freezing cold but no ice/frost. I rode on my ice tyres - I wouldn’t have ridden on regular tyres, I’d be sure to find the one bit of random black ice out there. Bloody hard work on those tyres, though. Roll on spring...
I was desperate to get out for a short ride tonight but at -1 and a risk of snow I bailed out on the idea.

Spent the night setting up and fiddling with my Elemnt Bolt instead and wondering if I should have got the Garmin after all :p
 
That cold in the garage on the turbo yesterday evening the jersey stayed zipped up for the large part of the session. I usually replicate Cipollini in the buff once I'm warmed up :p
 
That cold in the garage on the turbo yesterday evening the jersey stayed zipped up for the large part of the session. I usually replicate Cipollini in the buff once I'm warmed up

I've resorted to going into my garage with bib shorts and jersey on underneath a hoodie, the hoodie comes off after about 90 seconds. :p

The real tricky bit is what to do with the fan - on or off. On and you freeze, off and you sweat. Ugh, god I'm so sick of this weather - I feel like a caged animal, being fed on crappy Zwift morsels, I need MEAT ffs.
 
I've resorted to going into my garage with bib shorts and jersey on underneath a hoodie, the hoodie comes off after about 90 seconds. :p

The real tricky bit is what to do with the fan - on or off. On and you freeze, off and you sweat. Ugh, god I'm so sick of this weather - I feel like a caged animal, being fed on crappy Zwift morsels, I need MEAT ffs.

Ha, I used to do similar but now I just venture out there in my jersey which provides an incentive to not faff about and get going as quickly as possible!

I know what you mean about the fan. I have a long spirit level to hand to adjust the angle to point away during any recovery valleys. Equally though you need to pick an appropriate speed so that airflow isn't insufficient, I'll be damned if I'm changing that mid session.

Depending on the intensity the jersey might come off, be unzipped partially or left to totally flap about. I do tend to wear UV knee screens to keep the chill of the fan off, these are great as they don't really retain much heat. Thermal arm warmers and two pairs of gloves stop the hands going numb. And overshoes to keep the digits warm. Basically wrap up the extremities with a base & bibs in the middle.

I had a Sunday saunter outdoors for the first time in 80 days the other weekend and have a bit of an itch to get out sooner than planned. Constant weather watch mode now :(
 
That'll soon change to why you didn't buy it sooner ;)
We'll see! Sat in my living room I thought the screen was pretty difficult to read without the backlight on. Compared to the transflective screen on my fenix it didn't have anywhere near the clarity. The silicone cover on the USB port won't stay shut either and just to finish off my whinges... I hadn't realised they were made from that same horrid shiny plastic Dyson use that gets fine scratches the second you wipe it on your T-shirt.

Anyway, this is my usual >£100 purchase buyers remorse phase. I'm sure I'll grow to like it :p
 
I've almost forgiven my Garmin for being consistently pants - it's not missed a beat in ages. I think it must have seen me shopping for alternatives and suddenly started to behave.

Either that or a firmware update sorted out the bugs :p
 
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