Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

ubersonic said:
And? Does it really matter that the second/third world isn't involved?

I have seen Russia shouting about the 160 countries thing and it's just smoke and mirrors, they are trying to pain the picture that because 160 minor countries have not been show the evidence that it's somehow flawed.

It was good enough to satisfy all the important countries, it was good enough to make all the major NATO players agree for the first time this century, it was good enough to make Jeremy Corbyn agree. That's good enough for me, I don't really care if Gambia haven't agreed because they haven't been shown anything lol.
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I think you missed the info about the Czech president confirming he has not been shown any evidence, and wanting to see it, yet they expelled diplomats too as a sign of solidarity with the UK. Turkey is in NATO with a massive army, they didn't expel. China chided the UK and others for being irresponsible.

No evidence that anyone's been shown anything, including Corbyn. Only of pressure being brought to bear (Austria is now talking about the pressure).
 
Danny75 said:
I think you missed the info about the Czech president confirming he has not been shown any evidence, and wanting to see it, yet they expelled diplomats too as a sign of solidarity with the UK. Turkey is in NATO with a massive army, they didn't expel. China chided the UK and others for being irresponsible.

No evidence that anyone's been shown anything, including Corbyn. Only of pressure being brought to bear (Austria is now talking about the pressure).
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And this is where Britain seems to hold all of it's aces. In soft power. When the US wants to legitimise another Middle Eastern war it needs the UK to exert influence on it's partners and then all of a sudden everyone seems on board with it.
 
Trusty said:
I've said several times now, I'm not sure how it all links in, but the thread of money, power & destabilisation are linked.

US gold reserves are the largest in the world I believe, for China to back the petroyuan, they need to buy a shed load of it, could America not want to do this?
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I really don't know why you keep posting about this if you're not even trying to make a link to the thread...

you've seemingly believe some nonsense about the US wanting to adopt the gold standard, why would it have anything to do with this... I think the answer is quite clearly it doesn't, you've gone off on a very weird tangent and you'll see that the bill you've linked to will come to nothing. Please do quote me and tell me wrong when that bill becomes law... but realistically... not going to happen.
 
Locky said:
This is wasn't really novichok was it? You can't survive it according to the creator.
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That would depend on the dose and how quickly respiritry support was given. all organophosphate type nerve agents work in the same way, by block acetylcholineesterase thereby preventing acetylcholine from being metabolized and thus flooding the synapse with ACH. This will cause constant muscle contractions leading to asphyxiation, along with many other effects. Atropine (or any other acetylcholine recepter antagonist) would likely off been given pretty early on, as the symptoms are pretty specific.

even if they do recover, there will likely be longterm problems, as has been hinted at in reports regaurding the policeman. But to say if you survive it isn't a novichok related compound doesn't mean anything.
 
StriderX said:
Lets focus on this little thing here.

So because we cant change regimes say, in SA or Qatar or UAE or whatever, you're point is to actually leave them in power? You can't pick and choose in geopolitics when you're just an observer of events. (I notice you actually say the opposite, which is a contradiction, which is unhelpful)

So either we do leave them all in power or we destroy them all. There is no middle ground, that middle ground is called willful ignorance, and it's why Yemenese children are blown to pieces with British hardware.
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Saddams Iraq was nothing like any of those countries, comparing them to it just shows how much you know.
 
Few pages back I was criticized as a liar here when said that UK had troops in Syria illegally, and this government shouldn't be trusted.
Today is all over the news that British solder died in Syria.

And since the Syrian government hasn't invited us to be there, we have invaded the country then.
That on the back of twice voting in Parliament not to even bomb ISIL or "whatever" in Syria let alone send ground troops.....
 
Panos said:
And since the Syrian government hasn't invited us to be there, we have invaded the country then.
That on the back of twice voting in Parliament not to even bomb ISIL or "whatever" in Syria let alone send ground troops.....
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I think you're getting rather confused. Barrack Obama's red line being crossed (chemical weapons) and then the subsequent backing down after the UK parliament voted down the proposal of taking action against Assad.

Note Assad and the Syrian regimen are rather different entities to ISIS.

re: ISIS however I'll refer you to this:

https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2015/december/mps-debate-motion-on-isil-in-syria/

and re: an SF soldier being sadly killed over there, since when did deploying SF require approval from parliament? Would be a bit odd if the use of a secretive part of the military overseas required first that the government had a big public debate and and a public vote before deploying them.

And yet again... as per the CT types commenting on the "petroyuan" and the US supposedly returning to the gold standard... I have to ask WTF does this have to do with a former Russian double agent being poisoned in the UK?

I can think of one possible link re: the recent bombing of Russians over there by the west but it would be better if people actually tried to make a link in their posts to the topic instead of spewing out all sorts of ranty nonsense potentially rather unconnected to the thread.
 
Panos said:
Few pages back I was criticized as a liar here when said that UK had troops in Syria illegally, and this government shouldn't be trusted.
Today is all over the news that British solder died in Syria.

And since the Syrian government hasn't invited us to be there, we have invaded the country then.
That on the back of twice voting in Parliament not to even bomb ISIL or "whatever" in Syria let alone send ground troops.....
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1) He was in a USA unit. Not a British one.
2) It's rumoured that he was in the SAS. If so, it was the government's duty to deny his presence in Syria. Or anywhere else. Also, for most of them to be ignorant of it anyway.
3) We have no idea what the Syrian government has asked for or agreed to.
4) Why care?
 
StriderX said:
I have zero tolerance towards these "acceptable" evils, and i know plenty enough that i can't really enter any of them for fear of getting lashed.
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Well that's just bull**** isn't it?


Do you avoid all oil products?

Because if not you are supporting these acceptable evils you are paying the money that buys those bombs and jets and cannons.


We have to deal with thebreality of the world and that is unpleasant people own the things we need and could cripple our lives if we dont play ball.


You buy child made clothes, fuel your car with oil that buys the bombs that fall on the heads of children in Yemen and eat food taken from the mouths of starving Africans.


So don't spout **** about having zero tolerance you have exactly the same tolerance as our government.
 
Tefal said:
Well that's just bull**** isn't it?


Do you avoid all oil products?

Because if not you are supporting these acceptable evils you are paying the money that buys those bombs and jets and cannons.


We have to deal with thebreality of the world and that is unpleasant people own the things we need and could cripple our lives if we dont play ball.


You buy child made clothes, fuel your car with oil that buys the bombs that fall on the heads of children in Yemen and eat food taken from the mouths of starving Africans.


So don't spout **** about having zero tolerance you have exactly the same tolerance as our government.
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Avoiding something which quite frankly i cannot avoid, is like saying i should avoid breathing air because despots also do so.

I don't know if my oil products are tainted by despotic ill, so it's impossible for that to be an argument. Where as i know for a fact we can choose to send armaments to kill 3 year old children.
 
Locky said:
This is wasn't really novichok was it?
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Yes it was Novichok.

Samples of the nerve agent used in the attack tested positive at the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down for a "very rare" nerve agent, according to the UK Home Secretary. ...According to the Russian ambassador to the UK, Alexander Yakovenko, the British authorities identified the agent as A-234.
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(Source).

You can't survive it according to the creator.
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* Novichok agents don't always kill immediately (Andrei Zheleznyakov, the first person exposed to Novichok, in 1987, took almost a year to die)
* Novichok agents are not always lethal (it depends on the concentration and mode of exposure)
* other victims did not come into direct contact with the original dose, and were therefore exposed to a far lower concentration
 
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Meanwhile, Russian propaganda channels are desperately working overtime to spread as many false narratives as possible.

In Russia, by contrast, fingers are pointing in all directions but the Kremlin. Two dozen different narratives surrounding the Skripal case have appeared in the Russian media so far, prompting British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson to accuse Moscow of seeking to “conceal the needle of truth in a haystack of lies.”

Here are 20 different narratives offered by Russian media and officials for the poisoning:

– The United Kingdom did it to fuel anti-Russian sentiment (source: Russia 1 TV channel)

– Ukraine did it to frame Russia (Russia 1)

– The United States did it to destabilise the world (Russian 1)

– Theresa May helped orchestrate the attack because she is a friend of CIA director Gina Haspel (Zvezda)

– It was an attempted suicide (Russia 1)

– It was an accidental overdose (RIA Novosti)

– It was due to accidental exposure from Britain’s Porton Down research facility (Russia 24 TV channel)

– The Porton Down lab carried out illicit human testing and is lying about not producing Novichok (RT)

– Skripal’s future mother-in-law did it (Moskovsky Komsomolets: mk.ru)

– Terrorists did it (Russian ministry of foreign affairs spokesperson)

– American-British financier Bill Browder — blacklisted in Russia for denouncing corruption — did it (Russia 1)

– A drone did it (Zvezda and Russian defence ministry)

– Skripal was a chemical weapons smuggler (Pravda)

– The West is using the case to deflect attention from Russia’s successes in Syria (Russian ministry of foreign affairs spokesperson)

– Britain is using the case to deflect attention from Brexit (Russian Foreign Minister Sergei lavrov, Russian UN ambassador, Russian OSCE ambassador)

– The attack was an attempt by a rival faction to undermine Vladimir Putin (state TV)

– Russia has destroyed all its stockpiles of Novichok (Sputnik)

– Russia never developed Novichok (Interfax)

– Only the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Sweden have Novichok (Russian ministry of foreign affairs spokesperson). All three countries have denied the claim.

– There is no evidence that the nerve agent used against the Skripals was Novichok, Porton Down lab is struggling to identify the substance (RT)
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I never gave a second thought to the Russians being responsible for this. They have a history. It made sense to automatically assume what we are being told is the truth.

However, the lack of provided evidence and the coincidental timing of this (and many other 'propaganda' style articles) with the announcement to, and actual sale of, oil in Yuan instead of USD is, for me, quite telling.

Deny all you want - saying tin foil this and conspiracy nutter that - the outcome of those who have previously attempted to move their oil trade away from the USD was related in any way. It is what happened, under humanitarian guise.

The problem this time is China being the one to instigate. They are now Saudi's biggest purchaser of oil. Iran, Venezuela and Russia are currently under heavy US sanctions and are a prime target for increased oil trade, China has the timing almost perfect. And being China, not so easy to destabilise and overthrow.

So what to do? Go after their potential traders with any means necessary to prevent the USD being subject to potentially catastrophic inflation by the gigantic drop in trade.

How to do that? Well... just read the news and make up your own opinion.
 
NVP said:
However, the lack of provided evidence
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* nerve agent found on Sergei Skripal's front door
* nerve agent identified as Novichok
* Sergei and his girlfriend confirmed poisoned by Novichok
* Russia created Novichok, and is the only country that ever produced it

This isn't evidence?
 
I wouldnt rule out a false flag.

Would the likes of MI5 etc. really want all this type of stuff public?

It seems conveniently in the news which suggests the government wants it there, then the question is to be asked why do they want it there, this goes alongside with russian software been banned on american government computers amongst other things.
 
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