Which 55" TV wall mount?

matt100 said:
Thats fine but your post although fairly typical of forum stuff is so black and white as to weaken it.. it's not "I've had some issues with them and use this now" it's "they're crap" well no, they're not. Your experience is not mine/is not everyone's etc etc

I mean do you do this for a living? If not how many times could you have used them?

Personally it's once, and I was quietly impressed. But then I don't have much experience of anything else.
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It's best to ignore him, honestly. If you don't agree with his opinion then you'll go round in circles forever. As you say, plenty ACTUAL tradesmen that use them on a daily (or close enough) basis back them up as do Amazon reviews. As for the cost? £10 for a TV fixing kit containing everything you need to get your TV mounted to the wall vs £10 for 100 screws that you don't actually need and will end up getting thrown away in due course... yea. I know which I choose.
 
matt100 said:
Thats fine but your post although fairly typical of forum stuff is so black and white as to weaken it.. it's not "I've had some issues with them and use this now" it's "they're crap" well no, they're not. Your experience is not mine/is not everyone's etc etc

I mean do you do this for a living? If not how many times could you have used them?

Personally it's once, and I was quietly impressed. But then I don't have much experience of anything else.
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I've used them all around the house as I bought a full kit of them i only have 8 left out of 32.

The last time I tried using them to hang a very large mirror. It's heated and got LED lights built in around the edges.

I broke 4 of them as they are so flimsy because it was an external wall dot and dab. ended up using wall plugs instead.

also the things i have quoted will hold several tv's on the wall as well.

fix it's are overpriced and marketing gimmick. also i haven't seen a single tradesman who uses them due to cost as there are much cheaper alternatives that do the job just as well if not better.

i showed them to a guy who i had got to do work in. this guy works on flats for a rental company. so quite experienced and he said they were a gimmick and showed me what he uses, i can't remember the name of them but they were solid not made of flimsy plastic.

you can literally break fixits with a screwdriver and a weak turn. i don't see why people love them so much. because most are sheep for marketing?
 
Psycho Sonny said:
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use something like that then.

it's a metal version of the grip it. not plastic
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Only problem with those is you need sufficient space behind the plasterboard for the toggles to spring out.

If you got that, they are brilliant. If you don't, then the toggles get stuck in the hole and don't do their job, and your coat hooks fall off the wall in the middle of the night.
I may need those for the kitchen cabinets I need to put up.

I'm starting to look like a wall fastener fetishist now!
Fischer bolts [aka anchor bolts] - now they're the real deal.
****-all use for plasterboard though.
 
kinger8938 said:
Sorry to have sparked a bit of a debate. I do appreciate you are all trying to help and that's great. I think I will go grip it, and on my head be it.

This mount seem ok? Great reviews by the look of it. How many holes would you guys do to hold this to the wall? I'm guessing 4 or 6

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001GOOGHM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ruB4Bb3WDMXM1
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That's ok.. I've realised I'm being dragged into a very personal opinion on something.. I'm not an idiot and I'm not about to be told black is white.. I've used them, approximately 250 people on Amazon have used them with very positive results and if you're going to stress about a £10 set of fixings holding your £1000 or whatever TV on the wall you've got bigger issues. Not going to argue.

I used 4 for my 55" TV which felt like overkill to be honest but it's solid as a rock and IIRC you get 6 in the pack. And yes I think I have that bracket or something very similar. Practically flush which is nice.

Re dot and dab.. basically I think you can have stud wall which is basically a wooden frame with plasterboard attached or dot and dab where there's basically a blob of adhesive and the plasterboard is stuck on top.

I don't know if there's a way to find out beyond drilling and finding out but bear in mind for starters once this is over your TV will be hiding whatever you've done to the wall and that really the only big difference I can tell is with stud wall you'll have a bigger gap behind the plasterboard, but it's nothing to do with being on an exterior wall.
 
kinger8938 said:
Please excuse my ignorance but what is Dot dab and how do I know if I have it :D

It is the external facing wall that this will be going up on.
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In times of yore, plasterboard was put up on a stud wall, made of wood. These were pretty sturdy and understood by everyone for internal walls and the inside face of any external walls too. In this way, plumbers and sparkies could do their thing, and run their cables/pipes/whatever before the wall was put up, and the wooden frame was the logical way to hold this stuff too.

Then at some point in the last 5-10 years, they decided that was too much faff, and started sticking globs of mortar onto external walls (in as random and annoying a pattern as possible), fitting an aluminium framework and just stuck dry-lined boards to the globs, screwing the edges to the ally frame and taping the joins. The person doing the globbing is normally a gorilla or apprentice trainee with no respect for any other trade or anyone buying a home who may want to do work behind the wall in the future. (I base this terrible description on what I found in my own home - your opinion may differ :D ).

If you knock on a plasterboard wall you'll hear a different sound when its on something solid from when its hollow backed. If its studwork, the solid bits will be in nice straight lines with no gaps. If its dot n dab, they could be just anywhere. A pack of postit notes stuck to the wall where you found "solid" helps to visualise the construction of the wall.

Dot n dab could also be a cunning conspiracy to increase sales of SDS drills.
 
kinger8938 said:
Please excuse my ignorance but what is Dot dab and how do I know if I have it :D

It is the external facing wall that this will be going up on.
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it's literally a nightmare if you have it. imagine a brick wall. then random bits of cement like glue used in dots and dabs to hold plasterboard onto said brick wall.

youtube is the best place to go for videos on how to do stuff and they will generally show you the fixings required too.

there are literally millions of types of fixings to use. i rate those grip it's a 6/10. not bad but they are flimsy plastic and overpriced. if they were the same price but made of all metal then great for internal walls. external walls then don't bother with them.
 
skyripper said:
In times of yore, plasterboard was put up on a stud wall, made of wood. These were pretty sturdy and understood by everyone for internal walls and the inside face of any external walls too. In this way, plumbers and sparkies could do their thing, and run their cables/pipes/whatever before the wall was put up, and the wooden frame was the logical way to hold this stuff too.

Then at some point in the last 5-10 years, they decided that was too much faff, and started sticking globs of mortar onto external walls (in as random and annoying a pattern as possible), fitting an aluminium framework and just stuck dry-lined boards to the globs, screwing the edges to the ally frame and taping the joins. The person doing the globbing is normally a gorilla or apprentice trainee with no respect for any other trade or anyone buying a home who may want to do work behind the wall in the future. (I base this terrible description on what I found in my own home - your opinion may differ :D ).

If you knock on a plasterboard wall you'll hear a different sound when its on something solid from when its hollow backed. If its studwork, the solid bits will be in nice straight lines with no gaps. If its dot n dab, they could be just anywhere. A pack of postit notes stuck to the wall where you found "solid" helps to visualise the construction of the wall.

Dot n dab could also be a cunning conspiracy to increase sales of SDS drills.
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Ha. Thanks :) I'll get knocking tonight and see. It's 4-5 years old so I guess if it's since become a new standard then it will be dot dab?
 
Psycho Sonny said:
it's literally a nightmare if you have it. imagine a brick wall. then random bits of cement like glue used in dots and dabs to hold plasterboard onto said brick wall.

youtube is the best place to go for videos on how to do stuff and they will generally show you the fixings required too.
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Thanks!

The practise sounds just awful but I guess it's to speed things up / cut costs?
 
kinger8938 said:
Thanks!

The practise sounds just awful but I guess it's to speed things up / cut costs?
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cheaper. no wooden frame. no need to insulate the internal structure. but leaves no space to do anything either like running wires, etc. well you can run wires but it turns a 5 minute job into a 45 minute job with a lot more hard work involved and a lot more stress too.
 
Funnily enough I have someone coming on Monday to wall mount a 65" telly in the lounge and 2 x 40"'s in the bedrooms. Brand new build so will be Dot and dab. I'll let you know what they use to mount the tellies :)
 
ubern00b said:
Funnily enough I have someone coming on Monday to wall mount a 65" telly in the lounge and 2 x 40"'s in the bedrooms. Brand new build so will be Dot and dab. I'll let you know what they use to mount the tellies :)
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I do wonder if I should just get someone in to do it :D I haven't great confidence ;)
 
kinger8938 said:
I do wonder if I should just get someone in to do it :D I haven't great confidence ;)
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it's simple.

drill hole in wall. put in your choice of fitting. screw bracket into fittings. attach tv to bracket.

it's a 2 man job but tv's are light so you could easily lift it and get someone else to attach to the bracket.

majority of DIY is pretty simple. all you need are the right tools and a quick guide on youtube.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
it's simple.

drill hole in wall. put in your choice of fitting. screw bracket into fittings. attach tv to bracket.

it's a 2 man job but tv's are light so you could easily lift it and get someone else to attach to the bracket.

majority of DIY is pretty simple. all you need are the right tools and a quick guide on youtube.
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One thing we agree on :)

I did my 40" on my own, I need the other half to help me with the 55" but I can just about do it alone.

Just pay extra care to it being level and bear in mind anything else you may line it up against may not be.. for example I don't think the radiator mine is above in the kitchen (rarely on) is level so it does make it all look slightly wonky but you stop noticing within minutes.

Also worth using a spirit level, the last one I fitted had a wonky integrated spirit level!
 
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