Soldato
The Jehovah's Witness peeps believe only 144000 people will to heaven. So unless you're in the top 144000 humans to ever have lived, then it's not gonna be a great afterlife for you.
This to me is 'soft rock.'
Show me what Led Zep or the who had to say about this pls.
ITT: Sociology students in their first term at Uni.
Ok so prove it then, You end up with my coin toss outlook where it is 50/50 and you can never disprove or prove anything until you find out yourself. There is nothing wrong with being an Athiest, I think what you believe is not important why would it be? If anything if there is a creator then it would be more of a test to see who you really are. And influencing someone by announcing your presence takes away the doubt and ruins the entire test if one exists.
But you still run the risk of getting busted, And who is to say there will be a hell? Would hell not be dying and nothing afterwards? Conpared to maybe something? And if you think that is impossible revert to the who created god question, Absoloutely anything seems possible we live in a crazy universe where things just pop into existence from no where.
Unless you can first prove God exists we can dismiss any notion of heaven and hell as nothing but baseless assertions.Ok so prove it then, You end up with my coin toss outlook where it is 50/50 and you can never disprove or prove anything until you find out yourself. There is nothing wrong with being an Athiest, I think what you believe is not important why would it be? If anything if there is a creator then it would be more of a test to see who you really are. And influencing someone by announcing your presence takes away the doubt and ruins the entire test if one exists.
But you still run the risk of getting busted, And who is to say there will be a hell? Would hell not be dying and nothing afterwards? Conpared to maybe something? And if you think that is impossible revert to the who created god question, Absoloutely anything seems possible we live in a crazy universe where things just pop into existence from no where.
I still maintain it was all thought up by a group of iron age stoners, sat around a fire in the middle of the desert tripping their balls off on mushrooms and weed thinking of ways to wreck people's heads in the future.
Wishful indeed what happens if i am wrong? That means people will face no consquences on thier lives, It also means my coin toss outlook (afterlife/nothing) is basically just nothing then. Because such a system would provably just be an oraganic recycler and life creator there would be no morality or intelligence.
The reason i have the view i do is, I look around and see things like intellgent design and i think i can be no fluke.
And if it was well you would also be removing one of the biggest security nets society has, Morality.
Just think about the things you cam do in life without morality and no consequences, It would be a hell hole and murder would be an accepted daily part of justice and life.
Wishful indeed what happens if i am wrong? That means people will face no consquences on thier lives, It also means my coin toss outlook (afterlife/nothing) is basically just nothing then. Because such a system would provably just be an oraganic recycler and life creator there would be no morality or intelligence.
The reason i have the view i do is, I look around and see things like intellgent design and i think i can be no fluke. And if it was well you would also be removing one of the biggest security nets society has, Morality.
Just think about the things you cam do in life without morality and no consequences, It would be a hell hole and murder would be an accepted daily part of justice and life.
That would be true only if there were only two possibilities - either the religion you choose is right or there are no gods. That's a false dichotomy. What if the true religion was one of those destroyed by Christianity? In that case, the gods would probably be more displeased with you than with an atheist. Or what if it was one of the many variations of Christianity other than Catholicism, especially one of those destroyed by Catholicism as heresy? Throwing your lot in with Catholicism would leave you worse off again.
Circular reasoning. You interpret your god into the universe because you believe in your god and then claim that as evidence of your god. Obviously circular reasoning. You do not see intelligent design. You interpret it into what you see. And then you interpret your god into it. There are as many creation stories as there are religions - even if some god or gods had done the designing, what evidence do you have that it was yours?
No, you wouldn't. Religion is not morality. Religion is amoral. Morality is about doing what is right, regardless of what you're told. Religion is doing what you're told, regardless of what is right. Do you regard slavery as moral? Do you regard mass murder as moral? Do you regard torturing people to death as moral? All those things can be, have been and in some cases still are being done as part of religion. There is no morality in religion, only obedience.
Which is one of the reasons I am opposed to religion.
EDIT: I could have saved a bit of time by referring to the fact that your position has been proposed many times before and is most famously (at least in this part of the world) referred to as "Pascal's Wager". You can easily find out why it's wrong by searching for that term.
Hard to tell, could be either dependant on todays daily diety lawsbut where is he?
when do they make the list? cos you could be in now but get pushed out later.The Jehovah's Witness peeps believe only 144000 people will to heaven. So unless you're in the top 144000 humans to ever have lived, then it's not gonna be a great afterlife for you.
Societies change, laws change, religions change.
What was once a sin is now accepted. What was once accepted is now a sin.
The one true religion is science
The reason i have the view i do is, I look around and see things like intellgent design and i think i can be no fluke. And if it was well you would also be removing one of the biggest security nets society has, Morality.
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Why would anyone want to spend an eternity in heaven with a God who forgives pure evil, but rejects those loving, caring, decent people who simply deny his existence?That is not quite what i said really i said i just think something exists, And that all religion is man made theory. So i said i do not think if God existed he would care what you believed and would care more about who you were and are now.
So then the coin toss would be that if God exists and you believe you have a chance of life after death somehow, But if he does not then well there is nothing and i call that a loss because if you are an Athiest your chances might go down to 0%? So yea i think personally it is 50/50. But Pascal argues that for an Athiest there would be torment if God did exist where as i simply have it as nothing and nothing. Out of the four boxes they would all be nothing only belief in god and god exists would be where i would put down life after death. Indeed i do not even believe in hell either i said i think hell is just nothing in my opinion.
So where is this disproved then? Because i have a slighty different belief than him indeed his work was probably heavily skewed by Christianity hence why he said Athiests will be in trouble if God exists.