Interesting series of documentaries on the PBS channel on Freeview about the Vietnam war and really shows how unprepared the Americans were and how arrogant they were thinking that it would be a walk in the park after all how were a few poorly armed gooks going to beat the most powerful army in the world?
US kills Iran's General Soleimani
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Nah it’s viewpoints like yours - you’re completely missing the point that sanctions or presence in a neighbouring country aren’t justification for this.
The aggression here was from Iran, the response was from the US.
I didn’t say that, you’re making up your own argument.
I don’t think there is much point in diverting here, especially when you’re already making stuff up re: the main topic.
Try to deal with what has been posted. If you find yourself trying to restate my position in your words or start a sentence with “so you’re saying” then, given your previous posts, it’s likely to result in a straw man. Feel free to use the quote function and ask questions about what I’ve posted if you want clarification as it will be rather time consuming responding to you otherwise.
Guerrilla warfare often trumps large battallions.
In 1968 I was at school and we had outside experts visit to give talks and demonstrations. This one guys speciality was firearms, he spoke very disparagingly about the Viet-cong and their AK-47's versus the American GI and his armalite rifle. I expect he changed his thinking later.
In 1968 I was at school and we had outside experts visit to give talks and demonstrations. This one guys speciality was firearms, he spoke very disparagingly about the Viet-cong and their AK-47's versus the American GI and his armalite rifle. I expect he changed his thinking later.
I’m not sure Trump has any desire to occupy Iran or impediment regime change.
He’s got plenty of capability with which to give them a bloody nose though.
The one and only time, they have conquered every war before and since. Strategically they have learnt their lessons from Vietnam and no one is going to argue with their track record.
Well most observers say the US haven't won in Afghanistan and even Iraq is open for debate....
In fact since WW2 the US track record has been fairly appalling.
What do you think that would achieve, other than further resentment of the west/USA, and generations of future terrorists who have had their family and homes destroyed?
Surely the more prudent tactic is that which Obama was taking by trying to build bridges and trust by agreeing on a nuclear deal with Iran and the international community. That is just all in the bin now and for what?
Mindless bombing of the middle east has not and will not get us anywhere.
Did it stem Communism in South East Asia? Yes. The Vietnam war was lost, but broadly America achieved their ultimate goal. Vietnam was essentially part of the Cold War, America was fighting Communism in Eastern Europe, South America, and Asia against the USSR and China. Ultimately America won the Cold War, and the West and Capitalism prevailed probably to the dismay of some people on here.
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A second term.
Ever seen a vietnamese flag?
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Not really, the world knows the US can't be defeated militarily.
The Hawaii flag has the Union Jack on it, sort of irrelevant really
Hawaii isn't british.
Vietnam is still communist and they still continued regardless of the USA embargoes. So the vietnamese won on practically every front.
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New account for some controversial posts even though its actually the truth.
General Soleimani was a hero.
No one in the west if they died would have as many people mourning as Soleimani has. Shiite, Sunni, Aliwaite Muslims Christains Yadizi and even Jews.
Obviously people on here spout the same rubbish as long as it is in line with the governments propaganda.
Muslims bad blah blah blah.
Lets turn Iran into glass blah blah blah
The middle east is full of terrorists its the religion peace again blah blah.
You have to be incredibly dumb, to fall for the same things over and over again.
Some facts you can try and dispute.
1. General Soleimani was in Iraq invited by the Prime Minister regarding on going talks between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
2. He is an official of a sovereign government, the second most powerful person in Iran.
3. He is one of main reasons ISIS was defeated. Here is a link to CNN stating so
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1214361947832893440
Even the BBc's documentary on Iplayer supports this claim.
4. In 2001 The US fought along side General Soleimani in the battle of herat Afghanistan.
5. If he was such a bad guy assuming he was a good guy until recently why is he pictured walking past US soldiers recently?
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1213183341802844161
The reality is simple US wants war. Kill a highly loved guy forcing Iran to take revenge or forever look weak. When revenge happens play the victim card and attack.
Its not even trump if Hillary was in we would have the same result.
Gen Wesley Clark on US going to war in 7 countries in 5 yrs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTbg11pCwOc
The timetable is delayed but the outcome is spot on.
I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in I am not a Muslim, I am a Sikh born in the UK.
Could not give a damn about any country. This at least makes 2020 interesting no more boring brexit.
Anyway your going to war guys, funny thing is in Afghanistan people wearing pyjamas, flip-flops and decade old AK47s sent soldiers back in coffins. People here would say its unfair if only you are allowed to just nuke the place you would win.
Good luck with Iran.
They hate us because of our freedoms.
General Soleimani was a hero.
No one in the west if they died would have as many people mourning as Soleimani has. Shiite, Sunni, Aliwaite Muslims Christains Yadizi and even Jews.
Obviously people on here spout the same rubbish as long as it is in line with the governments propaganda.
Muslims bad blah blah blah.
Lets turn Iran into glass blah blah blah
The middle east is full of terrorists its the religion peace again blah blah.
You have to be incredibly dumb, to fall for the same things over and over again.
Some facts you can try and dispute.
1. General Soleimani was in Iraq invited by the Prime Minister regarding on going talks between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
2. He is an official of a sovereign government, the second most powerful person in Iran.
3. He is one of main reasons ISIS was defeated. Here is a link to CNN stating so
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1214361947832893440
Even the BBc's documentary on Iplayer supports this claim.
4. In 2001 The US fought along side General Soleimani in the battle of herat Afghanistan.
5. If he was such a bad guy assuming he was a good guy until recently why is he pictured walking past US soldiers recently?
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1213183341802844161
The reality is simple US wants war. Kill a highly loved guy forcing Iran to take revenge or forever look weak. When revenge happens play the victim card and attack.
Its not even trump if Hillary was in we would have the same result.
Gen Wesley Clark on US going to war in 7 countries in 5 yrs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTbg11pCwOc
The timetable is delayed but the outcome is spot on.
I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in I am not a Muslim, I am a Sikh born in the UK.
Could not give a damn about any country. This at least makes 2020 interesting no more boring brexit.
Anyway your going to war guys, funny thing is in Afghanistan people wearing pyjamas, flip-flops and decade old AK47s sent soldiers back in coffins. People here would say its unfair if only you are allowed to just nuke the place you would win.
Good luck with Iran.
They hate us because of our freedoms.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...akistan-middle-east-afghanistan-a7534851.html
Maybe we should also forget about Obama's mission to kill Osama Bin Laden as well? He did so much to build bridges and trust with the Pakistani's right? It's a total joke that his supporters are apoplectic with rage at Trump's drone attack when he sent ground troops in an airborne attack against an ally. How many new Jihadi's do you think he created? It's partisan ********.
It seems that some peoples blind hatred of the current U.S. President is affecting their judgement. I think you should look for a better example than Obama...
I agree some in the US want war, listen to Alex Jones or Trump himself though it's the generals and neo cons that are pushing for it for whatever reason, maybe they are just bored or want to test their new weapons. It's more likely they want a smaller platform to learn from, Russia and China being the bigger platforms.