8 PACK MEMORY RANGE GROWING: SAY HELLO TO 8 PACK RIPPED EDITION & 32GB KITS!!!

[Guest2]

Great testing and timings there. What was your 3600C14 voltage for comparison?

I do wonder if it would be better to run 3800C16 over 3600C14 if temps are an issue for low airflow cases. You should be able to get away with like 1.42v then. My brain logically thinks that pumping 1.5v into dual rank sticks with chips on either side must be creating more heat compared to single rank so the voltage becomes more of a concern.

I'm not saying not to run that setup btw it's just a theory I had. Might need to take into account the ambient temperature being much lower than say summer.

1.43V for 3600 CAS 14 but think it needed a touch more due to errors running Memtest 5 anta Extreme.

Probably 1.45V at a guess but the anta extreme config is supposed to really hammer the RAM. Not sure how ‘true’ of a test that is if no other program / game does the same to RAM.

For now i’ll leave it at CAS 14, 3800Mhz

Oh, do note that GDM is required with 3800 CAS14. As soon as you disable it, either windows wont boot or it’ll fall over in windows

 

[GregI]

@Shaolin Chicken Did your RAM ship yet? My status hasn't shifted since Friday.

 

[Shaolin Chicken]

@Shaolin Chicken Did your RAM ship yet? My status hasn't shifted since Friday.

No fella, still waiting, also ordered some fans last Tuesday and they still haven't shipped, so they must be well behind.

On a good note, at least we got the ram at the cheaper price, as it's now gone up again.

 

[Awahwah]

I was looking at ordering the 32g set but single is poor where I am right now so missed the boat. Hope they stick em up again in the Boxing day sales.

 

[GregI]

I was looking at ordering the 32g set but single is poor where I am right now so missed the boat. Hope they stick em up again in the Boxing day sales.

Back on offer.

@Shaolin Chicken Mines shipped at midnight but the DPD number doesn't work lol.

 

[Shaolin Chicken]

Back on offer.

@Shaolin Chicken Mines shipped at midnight but the DPD number doesn't work lol.

Same here .

 

[Alyjen]

anyone here tried new ASUS Bios based on AGESA 1.1.8.0?
My experience is - FCLK 1900 became more (100%? yet to be determined) stable even at auto settings, while previously I had to tweak and play around voltages and even VSOC LLC setting to reduce WHEA warnings, and still every second day I had one or two during heavy load.
FLCK 2000 still no go, I can boot at even higher clocks but it's super unstable and it also drops my pcie cards (soundcard & wlan card) if I play with it, and the wall is right after 1900, I set 1933 and all heal breaks lose


voltages I have on auto

VSOC 1.1V (in fact way lower as it drops to 1.0875 unless I rise vsoc llc)
CLDO VDDP 1.0V
VDDG IOD 1.0477V
VDDG CCD 0.9V

Now after reading previous guides from this thread I know VDDG IOD is a bit too close to VSOC, but on the other hand it seems super stable (like prime95 combined with furmark while listening to music & browsing web stable) and I get zero WHEAs while previously with very carefully chosen voltages (all by the book) I could still generate WHEA by just running OCCT large FFTs
@MrPils any insight?

 

[Smak]

Putting together new build (3080+5800X) and considering these 16 or 32 kits. For a purely gaming build at 4K which kit would be recommended, is 32GB required or overkill?

 

[GregI]

Putting together new build (3080+5800X) and considering these 16 or 32 kits. For a purely gaming build at 4K which kit would be recommended, is 32GB required or overkill?

These videos put me on the train to 32GB. I think you would be insane to build a computer in late 2020 and include only 16GB of RAM especially if you're spending about £450 on the CPU and like £750 on the GPU. Parting with another like £80 is nothing to DOUBLE your RAM capacity. Games will use this soon and it's more about the user experience as stated above in these videos.

 

[Smak]

These videos put me on the train to 32GB. I think you would be insane to build a computer in late 2020 and include only 16GB of RAM especially if you're spending about £450 on the CPU and like £750 on the GPU. Parting with another like £80 is nothing to DOUBLE your RAM capacity. Games will use this soon and it's more about the user experience as stated above in these videos.

Cheers pal! 32GB ordered!

 

[Outcasst]

Can't seem to have much luck overclocking the 2 x 16GB 3600Mhz CL16 kit past 3800.

I have loosened all the timings to 20-20-20-50 and tried voltages all the way up to 1.65v at various intervals, as soon as I go past 3800 I get post code errors and recovery.

FCLK locked at 1800MHz to make sure it's not trying to run anything higher. Just until I can figure out how high the memory will go.

Does anybody have any suggestions? I am using a Crosshair VIII Hero and 5900X. Latest BIOS 3003.

 

[Awahwah]

Can't seem to have much luck overclocking the 2 x 16GB 3600Mhz CL16 kit past 3800.

I have loosened all the timings to 20-20-20-50 and tried voltages all the way up to 1.65v at various intervals, as soon as I go past 3800 I get post code errors and recovery.

FCLK locked at 1800MHz to make sure it's not trying to run anything higher. Just until I can figure out how high the memory will go.

Does anybody have any suggestions? I am using a Crosshair VIII Hero and 5900X. Latest BIOS 3003.

Use Zentimings so we can see the current BIOS config.

 

[Outcasst]

Use Zentimings so we can see the current BIOS config.

This is all stock with DOCP enabled. I've been using these settings as a base, leaving everything on auto apart from the main 5 timings.

My CPU will post at 2000 FCLK with this new BIOS so hoping to get 4000MHz.

 

[GregI]

@Outcasst Pretty sure a raising of vsoc is in order.

This is the same kit running 3800 but on an X570 Unify. You can try these settings. It's at 1.5v.

 

[Awahwah]

Are you sure your Fabric is completely stable at 1900+? - may be worth checking that first - Loosen you timings to something silly, change the memory to run at 3200 (when I tested my Fabric I gave my ram 1.4v to be sure). Run several tests to ensure that you are not seeing WHEA errors.

With Dual rank, from what I gather - I do not have these yet (thinking about getting me some), you will need more SOC voltage to clock as there is more demand on the controller. This is turn will drive your VIOD voltage, within 50mv of SOC. SOC up to 1.2v I hear is safe too. VCCD for me I needed 950mv but the range here is 850 to 950.

Thinking about it, I would probably take this approach:
1) Set SOC to 1.2v, set VIOD to 1.15v, set VCCD to .950, set RAM to 1.4v
2) Set RAM to 3200 and loose timings.
3) Set IF to 1900 and test
4) If good, raise if a notch at a time - test. Continue till you start seeing WHEA or crashing (WHEA first I'd expect).
5) Once max stable IF, start to lower SOC volts and VIOD (within 50mv of SOC) until you fail tests\WHEA or fail to boot. Find the voltages that your SOC are happy with at a given IF.
6) Once IF\SOC volts are found, I'd set the RAM v to 1.5 (or less if you are not happy), stick a fan blowing at them and start to to increase ram speed. The safe bet is a one stage increase at a time, testing as you go but you may want to jump boundaries..
7) Once your IF\RAM are at the speeds you are happy with start to lower your Primary timings and test as you go.
8) Once your primaries are set, look at the others.

At 7 and 8, RAM volts should determine what your sticks are happy with. Remember though, you have Dual range in these 32g kits so your mileage may very.

@MrPils has written several 'how to' within this thread. His approach will probably get you what you want from your sticks. I'd suggest you look back to page 47 and read his comments, this single page helped me the most to tune (semi - I have more in my sticks if I give them more that 1.44v).

Hope this helps - I am new to this though so hope I've not given you a bum steer.

 

[Outcasst]

Are you sure your Fabric is completely stable at 1900+? - may be worth checking that first - Loosen you timings to something silly, change the memory to run at 3200 (when I tested my Fabric I gave my ram 1.4v to be sure). Run several tests to ensure that you are not seeing WHEA errors.

With Dual rank, from what I gather - I do not have these yet (thinking about getting me some), you will need more SOC voltage to clock as there is more demand on the controller. This is turn will drive your VIOD voltage, within 50mv of SOC. SOC up to 1.2v I hear is safe too. VCCD for me I needed 950mv but the range here is 850 to 950.

Thinking about it, I would probably take this approach:
1) Set SOC to 1.2v, set VIOD to 1.15v, set VCCD to .950, set RAM to 1.4v
2) Set RAM to 3200 and loose timings.
3) Set IF to 1900 and test
4) If good, raise if a notch at a time - test. Continue till you start seeing WHEA or crashing (WHEA first I'd expect).
5) Once max stable IF, start to lower SOC volts and VIOD (within 50mv of SOC) until you fail tests\WHEA or fail to boot. Find the voltages that your SOC are happy with at a given IF.
6) Once IF\SOC volts are found, I'd set the RAM v to 1.5 (or less if you are not happy), stick a fan blowing at them and start to to increase ram speed. The safe bet is a one stage increase at a time, testing as you go but you may want to jump boundaries..
7) Once your IF\RAM are at the speeds you are happy with start to lower your Primary timings and test as you go.
8) Once your primaries are set, look at the others.

At 7 and 8, RAM volts should determine what your sticks are happy with. Remember though, you have Dual range in these 32g kits so your mileage may very.

@MrPils has written several 'how to' within this thread. His approach will probably get you what you want from your sticks. I'd suggest you look back to page 47 and read his comments, this single page helped me the most to tune (semi - I have more in my sticks if I give them more that 1.44v).

Hope this helps - I am new to this though so hope I've not given you a bum steer.

Thank you that looks like a lot of great information. I look forward to a weekend of memory tuning.

 

[Guest2]

@Outcasst Pretty sure a raising of vsoc is in order.

This is the same kit running 3800 but on an X570 Unify. You can try these settings. It's at 1.5v.

These timings are identical to mine, same voltages, subtimings everything. Did you use mine or just coincidence? (I actually thought i was looking at a photo I posted) oh, wait, it is my photo. Looks like my desktop background of a galaxy. doh

Worth trying for FCLK 2000 / DDR4000 / CL16 do you think?

 

[Joe Jones]

These videos put me on the train to 32GB. I think you would be insane to build a computer in late 2020 and include only 16GB of RAM especially if you're spending about £450 on the CPU and like £750 on the GPU. Parting with another like £80 is nothing to DOUBLE your RAM capacity. Games will use this soon and it's more about the user experience as stated above in these videos.

I watched one of their vids and what a waste of time that was...there was no evidence as to why you should use 32 vs 16 just some ramblings about what they think is best.


The vids you want are here:

First doesn't show much difference but could be due to frequency (3200mhz) holding things back or perhaps the Intel platform performs well across the board.
The second video does show a difference notably at 1% lows but from what I've read using XMP profiles often is sub par so without further details it's hard to say if 32gb is truly better for the Ryzen setup. It could be that we have a pair of single rank vs dual rank modules which again is a different factor for performance.

 

[GregI]

The vids you want are here:

That's exactly what my videos referenced. "If you're looking at a benchmark to tell you why you need 32GB RAM, you're looking in the wrong place. Your computer isn't a benchmark chart."

He's talking about the smoothness and responsiveness of actually using the computer. You COULD use a computer with a HDD but would you want to? No because you experienced an SSD and know how good it can be. The same thing is happening here.

This is before even getting into discussion of RAM usage on games being released in the next 2-3 years (if we even do want to talk about games and benchmarks). As stated previously with most people spending hundreds upon hundreds on CPU and GPU is an extra like £60 really breaking the bank to double RAM capacity for a smoother user experience and being "future proof"?

Also @Guest2 yes it was.

 

[Guest2]

FYI for anyone else with a Unify x570 and Teamgroup 8 pack 32GB, I tried CAS16 DDR4000 / IF 2000 and it didnt boot and required CMOS clear.

This is running the latest BIOS Version 7C35vA82(Beta version) Release Date 2020-11-16

Awaiting new BIOS to re-test