The England Cricket Thread

manic111 said:
I largely agree, but I do think the current bowling attack is better suited as a unit to Australia. Obviously Broad was generally fantastic in the Ashes, but Australian conditions never suited Jimmy's skillset. We lack a spinner now but again I'm not sure that matters for this series.

All that said, the batting in the 2010 squad is head and shoulders above our current line up. As you say, it was a team of thinkers.

Edit: that said, our failure to knock over their tail hugely affected this test. If the deficit was 100 less, their 4th innings would have been very edgy.
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The 2010 team won, this team is headed for 5-0. Objectively speaking that makes them one of the worst teams there has been.

To be fair Aus won 2006/2007 5-0 as well however England had actually won in 2005, whereas this time we managed a draw.

I just think in every way this team is very average with a few amazing players. But this style of cricket isn’t it.
 
CorrectHorseBattery said:
The 2010 team won, this team is headed for 5-0. Objectively speaking that makes them one of the worst teams there has been.

To be fair Aus won 2006/2007 5-0 as well however England had actually won in 2005, whereas this time we managed a draw.

I just think in every way this team is very average with a few amazing players. But this style of cricket isn’t it.
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I'm not sure whether / why you think I'm disagreeing with you. I've agreed that the 2010 team is better, I've also simply said that the current bowling line up is better suited to Australian conditions.

Edit: let me ask you, though. By your metrics, if we end up losing this series 4-1, will that make this team better than 06/07? Or could it be the case that cricket is slightly more nuanced than you seem to think?
 
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CorrectHorseBattery said:
Will you finally accept you were wrong or just talk around it as usual.
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I think my point is perhaps misunderstood - my comment was intended to be about how one day the media turn people into the best thing since sliced bread and the next day they are the worst players to ever play.

Happy to accept I'm wrong if I am wrong in this.
 
manic111 said:
I'm not sure whether / why you think I'm disagreeing with you. I've agreed that the 2010 team is better, I've also simply said that the current bowling line up is better suited to Australian conditions.

Edit: let me ask you, though. By your metrics, if we end up losing this series 4-1, will that make this team better than 06/07? Or could it be the case that cricket is slightly more nuanced than you seem to think?
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Steve Smith had earlier said that England's attack would have been good a few years ago. Now most Aussie pitches are a bit slower and more suited to line and length bowlers than express pace. His chat with Jofra was along those lines.
 
Not the biggest surprise ever. Banking on a pace attack to win the Ashes when there was always a good chance at least 2 of them would break well before the end of the series was always a big risk.
 
Yeah good start, Archer going really well. Looks like its going to be a bit on the warm side this next two days so the preference was always going to be to bat.
 
All the commentators are talking about par scores at this ground and that the Aussies are looking like getting a below par score.

TBH these days we don't know what par is until England have batted.
 
Hmmm, not sure if I should be pleased or concerned that Jack's has taken two wickets already given Lyon is back in the Australia team. I am concerned that Stokes is doing a ton of bowling though, if Carse isn't fit I don't know why they pick him.
 
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