2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18

NathanE · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:49

He was already on Kimi's gearbox before entering the disputed corner. He got a better line into Turn 1, outbraked Kimi, and got better traction out. Kimi broke his front wing on Turn 1 by getting hot headed.

No advantage gained apart from at birth

Mp4 · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:50

Sigh!!

i've just found this out! Geez talk about brown nose time or what!!

Mclaren win - Fair and Square imo

Cavallino · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:50

NathanE said:
No advantage gained apart from at birth.

Tell that to the FIA.

JUMPURS · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:50

Masterdog said:
As mentioned earlier in the thread, he conceded position, all he was required to do. The rules don't state he needs to back off beyond Kimi's slipstream or anything.

I don't think the rules make an allowance for returning the position.

Bradmax57 · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:51

I think theres some major back handers going on if F1, id bet my mortgage if it had been the otherway around nothing would have been done, still 5 races to go and Hamilton is still in the lead will be exciting to the end!

Flibster · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:52

Cavallino said:
I wouldve been jumping at this before the decision...
but now the decision has been announced... it seems to be more about getting an advantage from the tow because of cutting the chicane... rather than completely lifting off...
Which is a shame :|

He was punished for cutting the chicane though

msmalls74 · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:52

Seems like the FIA are trying there hardest to make sure that F1 splinters in a few years time. It can be the Ferrari Internationale de l'Automobile then, and im sure they'll be happy then. I thought that lewis let him re over-take as he was behind his rear wheels at least as they crossed the line.

msmalls74 · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:52

NathanE said:
He was already on Kimi's gearbox before entering the disputed corner. He got a better line into Turn 1, outbraked Kimi, and got better traction out. Kimi broke his front wing on Turn 1 by getting hot headed.

No advantage gained apart from at birth

I think Kimi had the advantage as he drives a red car that starts with an F

Cavallino · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:53

Flibster said:
He was punished for cutting the chicane though

Ah ok.
But makes no difference to what I wanted to get across.... I.e regardless of whether he lifted or not it seems that the punishment was for a crime which cannot be contradicted by the evidence which Mclaren have (i.e. the telemtry).

Cavallino · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:54

msmalls74 said:
I think Kimi had the advantage as he drives a red car that starts with an F

I didnt know Force Indias had an advantage too!

NathanE · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:56

McLaren also saying LH crossed the start line 6 km/hr slower than KR. Further proof that he gained no advantage from the disputed corner.

All of LH's advantage was gained when he overtook Kimi at Turn 1. KR barely defended at all. LH got the racing line, outbraked and got better traction. Standard overtaking move.

Duke · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:56

Cavallino said:
I didnt know Force Indias had an advantage too!

Yeah they get the special "frozen" engine, remember

Slam62 · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:56

well the court of appeal will first have to decide whether they can appeal so no worries there then as a drive through is not appealable.

JRS · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:58

Oh dear Lord....

That is a joke. And not the funny kind, either. That is the least funny joke since Star Trek: Nemesis. I honestly cannot believe they've come to that decision. Were they watching the same race I was???

If we're honest here, Kimi is the one who should be getting a penalty. He practically barged his team mate off the road early on when passing him. He forced Hamilton off the road in that disputed maneuver. He then drove into Hamilton at the exit of La Source after he'd been overtaken.

I'm pretty much done with this 'sport' now, guys. If you want me, I'll be watching NASCAR. At least when they engage in arbitrary decision making that makes **** all sense they admit it.

NathanE · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:59

In the face of scientific evidence (it's a shame it has had to come to that) I don't see how the FIA can reject an appeal.

It's not McLaren's or Hamilton's fault that in this physical universe the rules allow slipstreaming to occur.

NathanE · 7 Sep 2008 at 19:00

Hmm... JRS tell me more about NASCAR

Cavallino · 7 Sep 2008 at 19:00

JRS said:
Oh dear Lord....

That is a joke. And not the funny kind, either. That is the least funny joke since Star Trek: Nemesis. I honestly cannot believe they've come to that decision. Were they watching the same race I was???

If we're honest here, Kimi is the one who should be getting a penalty. He practically barged his team mate off the road early on when passing him. He forced Hamilton off the road in that disputed maneuver. He then drove into Hamilton at the exit of La Source after he'd been overtaken.

I'm pretty much done with this 'sport' now, guys. If you want me, I'll be watching NASCAR. At least when they engage in arbitrary decision making that makes **** all sense they admit it.

Youll be back next week watching Monza like the rest of us...

spoonz · 7 Sep 2008 at 19:01

Imagine of Massa wins the championship by 1 point, this decision would have done it for him.

they need to be very careful.

Cavallino · 7 Sep 2008 at 19:01

NathanE said:
In the face of scientific evidence (it's a shame it has had to come to that) I don't see how the FIA can reject an appeal.

It's not McLaren's or Hamilton's fault that in this physical universe the rules allow slipstreaming to occur.

Thats what theyre saying, by getting the slipstream he got the advantage.
Im guessing it doesnt matter what the guys speed was to a certain degree, what matters is his acceleration because of the slipstream.

Sparky · 7 Sep 2008 at 19:04

Cavallino said:
Thats what theyre saying, by getting the slipstream he got the advantage.
Im guessing it doesnt matter what the guys speed was to a certain degree, what matters is his acceleration because of the slipstream.

But as previously stated there is no rule governing how far you let the car get infront again after letting him through.

FIA have dug a big hole for themselves and will be trying to save face somehow.