2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18

Flibster · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:37

30.3 eh....

30.3
a) During practice and the race, drivers may use only the track and must at all times observe the provisions of the Code relating to driving behaviour on circuits.

b) Other than by driving on the track, Competitors are not permitted to attempt to alter the grip of any part of the track surface.

So. Raikkonen going around the entire corner in tarmac runoff area is ok then??

Scottland · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:37

What a farce, although I can't see McLaren winning the appeal unfortunately.

If I was Ron, I'd be half tempted to pack up my toys and go home.

Mr Jack · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:38

Utterly ridiculous decision. I really hope that appeal comes through. I'm only sad that yet another race result will be decided in the courts not on the track.

awaybreaktoday · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:38

How the hell do you give an advantage by letting someone pass you. The person you are letting pass must be one s*** driver.

Flibster · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:41

Oh and Appendix L, Chapter 4, Article 2(g) states....

g) The race track alone shall be used by the drivers during the
race

See here

Anders0n · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:42

Is this making anyone else angry?

I actually feel quite enraged.

Stormrider · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:43

Flibster said:
30.3 eh....

So. Raikkonen going around the entire corner in tarmac runoff area is ok then??

so thats what they are using to penalize Hamilton, and it was not used to penalize shumacher when he used the run off to keep the place in front of de la rosa in hungary?
shesh

Sparky · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:43

Anders0n said:
Is this making anyone else angry?

I actually feel quite enraged.

Not really, it's to be expected it seems lately. But i can understand people that would get angry.

clv101 · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:44

That's rubbish, there is no way that Massa 'deserves' the win.

mmj_uk · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:44

I really don't see how he gained any advantage?

He went into the first apex of the chicane ahead, got pushed off the track by a driver who had earlier tried the same to his team-mate (on a straight) and then Lewis rightly conceded his position.

What advantage had he gained from being 3/4 car lengths ahead to more than 1 full car length behind and how many corners should he wait before he's allowed to compete for position again?

knip · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:44

I dont even think I need to say what I feel about this decision, other than to say it is an absolute ******* disgrace.
Simply cannot believe it.

Fireskull · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:45

Load of ******!

NathanE · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:45

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70404

McLaren say they've got telemetry proof that he backed off

This is going to be good.

Tenzen · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:47

It makes no difference...we saw him back off - he still gained an advantage by being a few inches off kimi's gearbox - he gained an advantage. END OF.

He tried a cocky pass, it didtn work and as a result ended up a few inches off Kimi's gearbox whereby he used the slipstream advantage to then overtake- that is simply wrong and as a result he paid for it.

Masterdog · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:48

As mentioned earlier in the thread, he conceded position, all he was required to do. The rules don't state he needs to back off beyond Kimi's slipstream or anything.

Stormrider · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:48

Tenzen said:
It makes no difference...we saw him back off - he still gained an advantage by being a few inches off kimi's gearbox - he gained an advantage. END OF.

he gained an advantage by slowing down?
Surely Kimi would have had the momentum to make it to the next corner, unless Lewis out-braked him.

awaybreaktoday · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:48

Tenzen said:
It makes no difference...we saw him back off - he still gained an advantage by being a few inches off kimi's gearbox - he gained an advantage. END OF.

How the **** in hell did he gain a ****ing advantage.

Slinwagh · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:48

Tenzen said:
It makes no difference...we saw him back off - he still gained an advantage by being a few inches off kimi's gearbox - he gained an advantage. END OF.

He yielded as he was required to do, you saw it, telemetry would seem to prove it.

And again I say KR did not even finish the race!!!!!!!!

Cavallino · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:48

NathanE said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70404

McLaren say they've got telemetry proof that he backed off This is going to be good.

I wouldve been jumping at this before the decision...
but now the decision has been announced... it seems to be more about getting an advantage from the tow because of cutting the chicane... rather than completely lifting off...
Which is a shame :|

Tenzen · 7 Sep 2008 at 18:49

Christ what is so difficult to understand...he should have been nowhere near Kimi AFTER he ballsed up an opportunist overtake. The fact he was and then used the advantage you gain by being so close to another driver (slipstream!), to overtake Kimi, is plain enough to warrant an investigation. The result is a drive throuigh penalty and 25secs is a good alternative.