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Oh Dear, more ATI 58xx mysteries!!

This really isn't good news at all man, I would be gutted if I had issues like this.

I've owned 2 ATI cards in the past, but that was a long time ago.

A Rage 128 Pro, and the Rage Fury Maxx, but the problems I had back then were ridiculous, major driver issues, I would have to use a different driver to play each game, and even then I would see texture corruption all over the place in games like Half Life.

After switching to Nvidia GPU's I never had any major problems at all.

But I have friends who say the same thing about Nvidia, and how they have endless problems with drivers and whatnot, and they swear by their ATI cards!!!

I have thought about buying a 5870 several times since their release, but after reading the OP I am not so sure if I should.

And as for this driversweeper thing, why do people make updating/uninstalling drivers such a difficult experience??

IME there is no need to uninstall the current driver when updating to a new one, I install new graphics drivers over the top of current ones all the time, and I have NEVER had a problem.
 
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DavyBoy said:
After switching to Nvidia GPU's I never had any major problems at all.
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I dont want to sound like a troll or fanboy, but ive been saying this for years that i find Nvidia more reliable.


To update everyone, I and many others are correct, it is not our faults for flashing the bios, overclocking or anything like that, i have just managed to prove that some of these cards are just faulty from out the box.

As mentioned in my first post, i ran my 5850 on Windows 7 for weeks with not too many problems, but problems non the less, and just the other day after switching the pc on drivers were lost, and i could no longer install the CCC and drivers for Windows 7. Even after removing any overclocks, restoring original gpu bios, and formatting windows 7 - still the drivers either off the cd or amd ati site would not install, I could only get the drivers to work in Vista.

Well, today i managed to get hold of a Powercolor 5850 which is flashed to the same MSI bios I and many others have flashed too. I swapped out my 5850 for his 5850, did the same as before removed all overclocks, formatted windows, installed windows 7 - and lo and behold the CCC and drivers installed perfectly!!

I tested Crysis Warhead and Gta IV for a good hour and a half, no problems at all, tested first at stock and then overclock.

I then repeated it, swapped out his 5850 and put mine back in, removed all overclocks, formatted windows, installed Windows (exact same procedure as before), tried to install CCC and drivers but no, would not install, got error but no actual error report.

My conclusion is, as said before > the cards that have had problems have not been because of us, whether that be overclocking, overvolting, or flashing, but the fact that not all these cards will work out the box.

which explains fans revving to 100%, no boot at all, and flaky use at best. The above for me proves this, which is now i will consider rma'ing my card or selling it on.
 
DavyBoy said:
This really isn't good news at all man, I would be gutted if I had issues like this.

I've owned 2 ATI cards in the past, but that was a long time ago.

A Rage 128 Pro, and the Rage Fury Maxx, but the problems I had back then were ridiculous, major driver issues, I would have to use a different driver to play each game, and even then I would see texture corruption all over the place in games like Half Life.

After switching to Nvidia GPU's I never had any major problems at all.

But I have friends who say the same thing about Nvidia, and how they have endless problems with drivers and whatnot, and they swear by their ATI cards!!!

I have thought about buying a 5870 several times since their release, but after reading the OP I am not so sure if I should.

And as for this driversweeper thing, why do people make updating/uninstalling drivers such a difficult experience??

IME there is no need to uninstall the current driver when updating to a new one, I install new graphics drivers over the top of current ones all the time, and I have NEVER had a problem.
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If you read the whole thread you'll notice a trend that for every person who complains that they've got 58XX problems, there's 5 people who have no issues at all.

Same old "there's more chance people are going to talk about problems with hardware" comes to mind.

Those who don't have problems are more likely playing through the latest games instead of telling everyone how great their card is and how well it works.
 
I'd RMA it if I were you mate.

Personally, I never o/c my graphics cards, I don't really feel the need to tbh, they do a good enough job at stock frequencies, and once they start to struggle with newer games, I tend to just upgrade to a better performing card.

I always o/c my CPU's though!

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@ Kyle, after I posted, I read through the thread at some of the replies, and I notice there are more people with zero issues than there are with problems..

There is always going to be some cards that are going to be faulty, as every manufacturer has failure rates, but I know how frustrating it can be when you buy a new piece of hardware, and for it to end up being faulty, it sucks!!!
 
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DavyBoy said:
I'd RMA it if I were you mate.

Personally, I never o/c my graphics cards, I don't really feel the need to tbh, they do a good enough job at stock frequencies, and once they start to struggle with newer games, I tend to just upgrade to a better performing card.

I always o/c my CPU's though!
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free performance boost.
 
toon_mad said:
I dont want to sound like a troll or fanboy, but ive been saying this for years that i find Nvidia more reliable.


To update everyone, I and many others are correct, it is not our faults for flashing the bios, overclocking or anything like that, i have just managed to prove that some of these cards are just faulty from out the box.

As mentioned in my first post, i ran my 5850 on Windows 7 for weeks with not too many problems, but problems non the less, and just the other day after switching the pc on drivers were lost, and i could no longer install the CCC and drivers for Windows 7. Even after removing any overclocks, restoring original gpu bios, and formatting windows 7 - still the drivers either off the cd or amd ati site would not install, I could only get the drivers to work in Vista.

Well, today i managed to get hold of a Powercolor 5850 which is flashed to the same MSI bios I and many others have flashed too. I swapped out my 5850 for his 5850, did the same as before removed all overclocks, formatted windows, installed windows 7 - and lo and behold the CCC and drivers installed perfectly!!

I tested Crysis Warhead and Gta IV for a good hour and a half, no problems at all, tested first at stock and then overclock.

I then repeated it, swapped out his 5850 and put mine back in, removed all overclocks, formatted windows, installed Windows (exact same procedure as before), tried to install CCC and drivers but no, would not install, got error but no actual error report.

My conclusion is, as said before > the cards that have had problems have not been because of us, whether that be overclocking, overvolting, or flashing, but the fact that not all these cards will work out the box.

which explains fans revving to 100%, no boot at all, and flaky use at best. The above for me proves this, which is now i will consider rma'ing my card or selling it on.
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So let's get it right, you've got a faulty card?

Do what most other people do and RMA it.

Seriously, get over it, we all get duff hardware at some point in our lives, you just RMA it and enjoy the new card you get back.

This whole thread has been about some one getting a graphics card that didn't work right and has then decided to have a rant about how they now in fact prefer nVidia.

Tell me, what happens when you get an nVidia card down the line that has similar issues? Move back to ATi and claim poor quality hardware on nVidia's behalf? Or man up and RMA a clearly faulty card?

This has nothing to do with ATi versus nVidia, it's just a simple of case of (equivalent to) DOA.

I've got an iPhone, I've just had it replaced because it had 5 bubbles under the screen, you don't see me raging about how apple is unreliable, so now I'm selling it and buying nokias from now on.

A product is a product, generally you're just as likely to have issues with any product regardless of the manufacturer.

Plus, based on recent events, wouldn't you say nVidia are the ones with a poor record of reliability? They've been having actual problems.

All those laptop GPUs that failed, their 190 drivers that everyone seems to hate, the fact that it appears they can't make any Foni based cards as it's just not working for them at the moment.

They suddenly don't look like the masters of reliability that people claim them to be.
 
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And ooon and ooon and ooon and ooon....

Don't you guys ever get bored?
 
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and pray that you get one of the good ones and not the duff ones, flip a coin its that close to work/dont work.
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One bad card technically makes the likelihood of getting another bad one back significantly lower.

It's no way near as close to flipping a coin at all. You're saying this out of anger that your 5850 doesn't work.

You're saying this as if it's fact.

I really don't get this about some people, they have a problem, then act like it's fact that this isn't an isolated problem.

A friend of mine does the exact same thing. If he can't get something working, that's it, he slates it and has a rage session where he slags it off and moans about how it doesn't work, it's crap and it's a complete waste of time.

Without actually stopping to consider "maybe this is just one of those things that happens to people at times." No, he takes it personally.
 
Corran said:
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And ooon and ooon and ooon and ooon....

Don't you guys ever get bored?
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It wasn't funny the first time, it's irritating the second time.

Read most of the posts, it's not really a "nVidia versus ATi" thing at all.

It's a guy who's bought a card that doesn't work, and instead of acknowledging this, rages about how it's crap and doesn't work, therefore reflecting on the quality of ATi hardware.

People do this all the time, it's tiresome, what do they do when they "Move over" and have the same issue? Move on to S3? Intel? Quit PC gaming altogether? No, they suddenly wise up and realise the nature of PC hardware.
 
its not about me at all venting frustration at ATI, or ATI vs Nvidia - theres loads of people having problems with there 58xx cards.

I was sharing my experiences, my bottom line point was people spend over £200 for hardware that should have at least went through thorough testing, I understand hardware can fail at the best of times, but ive seen these in there numbers failing.

Seems like ATI rushed these out slightly in time for the Windows 7 launch, rather convenient - if im paying over £200 i expect something to work 100% out the box - end of.
 
toon_mad said:
its not about me at all venting frustration at ATI, or ATI vs Nvidia - theres loads of people having problems with there 58xx cards.

I was sharing my experiences, my bottom line point was people spend over £200 for hardware that should have at least went through thorough testing, I understand hardware can fail at the best of times, but ive seen these in there numbers failing.

Seems like ATI rushed these out slightly in time for the Windows 7 launch, rather convenient - if im paying over £200 i expect something to work 100% out the box - end of.
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i cant see a product like this getting rushed out the door, it was out before windows 7, you really think a company would just throw it out there in the market without a thorough testing :confused:

you should really just rma the card
 
toon_mad said:
its not about me at all venting frustration at ATI, or ATI vs Nvidia - theres loads of people having problems with there 58xx cards.
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Considering OcUK alone have sold 100's of 5800 series there's actually very few people actually having problems, which is about the same with any hardware really. That's not even counting the 100's of cards that competitors must have sold as well.
 
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