Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19
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I think it was more annoyance. It must grate him that even when he's in the lead and the team try and help him, Vettel still beats him. Partly that Seb made the move, but I would say more so that he was unable to hold him off and then stay with him after it. Seb pulled away at almost a second a lap.
Sad state for a team to be in, where their drivers need to assume that their pit crew are possibly lying to them, or at least aren't even in control.
Funny how he'd managed it the entire race then, right up until the point he was told they were no longer racing
He had the choice to join Ferrari and be a number 2 to Alonso, but he decided to stay at Red Bull and be given the same opportunity as Vettel to drive the quickest car on the grid. For several reasons he hasn't made it work, but what Vettel did today (proved by how Red Bull actually disliked what he did publicly) was just a joke.
At least now the gloves are off and it'll be nice to see them going toe to toe
Ferrari have been the pits since 2009.
Yeah, annoyance probably describes it better. I still think my point has value though.
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I don't pay attention to anything the guy says tbh
Today I don't think the team lied to him as such, but there is previous for Seb doing what he wants and the team letting him get away with it.
With no ability to control the cars from the pits, no team is fully in control of their drivers.
RBR and McLaren in Turkey, Alonso and Hamilton, Maldonados red mist. F1 is full of incidents where a driver has taken things into his own hands.
The teams can say all they like, they can beleive its the truth, but at the end of the day they aren't the ones ultimately in control.
Because previously Vettel has done the same, closed the gap to prove he was fast, or even set the fastest lap of the race but not broken the team order.
That I imagine is why Webber was surprised. Hardly the first time they have followed each other home. It's not unusual to have the driver following close rapidly and then hold station.
It's underhand, if webber knew to start with the race was on the gap might not have closed so quickly in the first place and vettel would have taken more out of his own tyres in the chase.
Such a shame webber has some actual class and didn't just let them bang wheels and both go out of the race.
Funny how he'd managed it the entire race then, right up until the point he was told they were no longer racing
Indeed a major fact that some seem to be missing, even when Seb first went on to say move Webber over, Webber then picked it up and was driving away from Seb until he was told racing is over wind it down and bring it home.
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Funny how he'd managed it the entire race then, right up until the point he was told they were no longer racing
Exactly, Vettel can't beat him fair and square, so he has to resort to an underhanded tactic. Wouldn't expect anything less from him tbh.
The problem is with Vettel, he has been allowed to get away with these things for too long by the team. It wouldn't be the first time that they have told him to dial it down and yet he sets his fastest lap to make some kind of point.
Yeah definitely. He seemed surprised the whole thing was allowed to happen, but once he started to censor himself in the post race press pen he seemed more frustrated than surprised.
Funny how he'd managed it the entire race then, right up until the point he was told they were no longer racing
So why couldn't he defend from Seb, or even stay with him once he went past?
Because he thought about the team and the constructors rather than his own glory? No doubt Vettel would have been very hard in his defence, possibly taking them both off. Webber was every inch the team player and as hard as he found it to not say anything to scathing, he managed it.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that it's a shame that sportsmanship has taken a back seat. But Seb is known for wanting to break records and that he likes statistics. He is a winner, no doubt. And in that endeavour, he clearly and correctly believes that pandering to team orders will not do.
Later in the season, what he did today could bite him in the arse, but today, for Sebastian Vettel, potential four times consecutive world champion, he did the right thing.
Damage limitation from a PR perspective more than actual belief he made the wrong choice IMO.
He isn't on the track to win unless RBR tell him that's what he should do. RBR were very much telling him that today he was to sit behind Webber and collect 18 points for the team.
The drivers are a small part of a gargantuan team effort to maximise their potential - he put that at risk for no reason other than selfish gain.