Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19

I think the biggest problem I have is Vettel didn't just tell the team "Look I'm going for it" instead he just kept quiet knowing Mark had no real idea he was gaining on him with intent to overtake. It just smacks of a ***** trick.
 
Skeeter said:
But at the end of the day, Mark still keeps signing for them, so he can't be that peed off.
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How, you can still be peed off but at the same time you don't want to leave a team like that with such a car to go into something inferior.

Realistically thinking, would you leave a Red Bull car for something inferior?
 
ZG002 said:
I think the biggest problem I have is Vettel didn't just tell the team "Look I'm going for it" instead he just kept quiet knowing Mark had no real idea he was gaining on him with intent to overtake. It just smacks of a ***** trick.
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This tbh.

I just wish they would scrap the whole, we are keeping station for the team, and actually race each other. At the end of the day, each driver is in it for themselves. What Vettel did was ****, but as I have said, Webber should have a) expected it due to past history and b) not be in the situation he was anyway. I don't have any sympathy for Webber, at the end of the day he knows what the situation is like at Red Bull and would not get 2nd place with any other team at the moment.

Skeeter said:
RBR have gap times on their dash, don't they?
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The gap is irrelevant. If he has been told Vettel isn't going to pass, then he is probably going to think, well Vettel is closer but he isn't going to pass me. Knowing Vettel though he should have been more cautious. He sure will be in future.
 
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V F said:
How, you can still be peed off but at the same time you don't want to leave a team like that with such a car to go into something inferior.

Realistically thinking, would you leave a Red Bull car for something inferior?
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Second in the best team is better than 1st in the 5th team.

Mark knows this, which is why he self censored himself today. He knows that if he wants another year, there's only so far he can run his mouth.
 
Vettel made a dick move, no doubt. But webber could have done the same and kept fighting him, pushed him off the track when he had the chance or never turned the revs down and stayed ahead.

In F1, sadly, nice guys finish last.
 
Matteh said:
Vettel made a dick move, no doubt. But webber could have done the same and kept fighting him, pushed him off the track when he had the chance or never turned the revs down and stayed ahead.
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If that continued, knowing what Vettel is like. I bet it would have been another form of Turkey.
 
It seemed to "explode" in spectacular fashion. It was funny to see Alonso trying to turn in to the corner after that.
 
Matteh said:
Vettel made a dick move, no doubt. But webber could have done the same and kept fighting him, pushed him off the track when he had the chance or never turned the revs down and stayed ahead.

In F1, sadly, nice guys finish last.
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I'm actually now wondering if he even turned them down. Someone said Horner confirmed neither did?
 
Thats what I dislike about Webber, he knows exactly what his position is, he's completely happy to stay and get second, he knows exactly what the score is before he chooses to stay... then he stays because he wants second if he can get it, and the money a title winning team offers a second place driver.

I can't stand people that force themself into a situation then complain about it, and its even worse when its a situation half the worlds population would love to be in. Today he had a real issue that was worth complaining about, but 80% of his anger and the littlel "they'll protect him" comments had nothing to do with today, but his on going dislike of being number 2... a situation he put himself in.


As for Di Resta last week, I still have no clue what happened, after his last pit Sutil was 2 places ahead of Di Resta, 10 seconds or so ahead of Hamilton, 10 or so behind Massa, a lap later he was 20 behind Massa and Hamilton was all over him. My guess is he flat spotted, he had a VERY slow lap, let Hamilton catch up, then it took a couple laps for a minor flat spot to even out a bit, become more driveable and get back to pace.

Remember Brundle banging on about him being lucky to stay in the top 10, then comfortable kept pace after a few laps, the lap timing graphs showed this. Di Resta was catching him at a slower and slower rate before he actually got in a passing situation and I wouldn't be remotely sure he could have passed him anyway.

Up till that last stop Sutil had been amazing, pulling away from Vettel, making his tyres last, he fully earned that position even if he had a mistake and a big lock up. Ignoring the mistake he would have finished the race probably ahead of Hamilton and 15-20 seconds ahead of Di Resta.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Thats what I dislike about Webber, he knows exactly what his position is, he's completely happy to stay and get second, he knows exactly what the score is before he chooses to stay... then he stays because he wants second if he can get it, and the money a title winning team offers a second place driver.
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Couldn't disagree more. Although I wouldn't rate Webber as high as Vettle/Alonso/Hamilton, why would he leave to go to a worse team? He had the choice to join Ferrari and be a number 2 to Alonso, but he decided to stay at Red Bull and be given the same opportunity as Vettel to drive the quickest car on the grid. For several reasons he hasn't made it work, but what Vettel did today (proved by how Red Bull actually disliked what he did publicly) was just a joke.

At least now the gloves are off and it'll be nice to see them going toe to toe :)
 
Skeeter said:
Careful now...

Do we have the radio chatter telling them to slow and hold position? There's plenty of the team telling Seb to slow down :p
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Yup, we do. Like I said, dick move Vettel. But it was pretty obvious Seb didn't give a **** about team orders and if Mark didn't realise this then more fool him IMO.
 
Marks a clever chap. Being told your holding position and then seeing Vettel getting closer and closer would be enough for him to know he wasn't planning on accepting 2nd. I assume they knew they were well ahead of the Mercedes pair too.
 
Skeeter said:
Marks a clever chap. Being told your holding position and then seeing Vettel getting closer and closer would be enough for him to know he wasn't planning on accepting 2nd. I assume they knew they were well ahead of the Mercedes pair too.
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That's why he asked the team to reconfirm that they weren't racing, which they confirmed to him.
 
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