Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [12th - 15th December 2014]

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Paris St-Germain v Chelsea
Manchester City v Barcelona
Bayer Leverkusen v Atletico Madrid
Juventus v Borussia Dortmund
Schalke v Real Madrid
Shakhtar Donetsk v Bayern Munich
Arsenal v Monaco
Basel v Porto
 
jonneymendoza said:
education for you?

:D:D:D:D

Dont worry, Wenger will help speed up your wish in wanting Rodgers out after about 10 bad games while so called fickle arsenal fans want wenger gone after 10 years of idle state.
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World of difference in airing views on an internet forum and the level of verbal abuse directed at a man that has given you 2 decades of unprecendented service and success.
 
Newbie007 said:
World of difference in airing views on an internet forum and the level of verbal abuse directed at a man that has given you 2 decades of unprecendented service and success.
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Unprecedented service and success, neither of these things are true.

League/cup double, done before at Arsenal. european success, won the cup winners cup in 93/94, nothing under Wenger, FA cup, won before, 3 league titles, impressive but Arsenal/Utd were in a league of there own wage spending wise through Wenger's early years.

Staying this long in a job where the other offers have dried up, you're being paid more than you can get elsewhere and it's a ridiculously high salary being amongst the top paid in the profession in the world while failing, sure.

Arsenal had one of the most expensive teams in the league during the early successful years, the 2004 team was actually one of the cheapest teams(in terms of total wage and transfer spend compared to the highest spending team in the league in the same year) to win in prem league history, yet we can't compete today due to lack of money apparently.... despite Arsenal in 2004, Atletico/Dortmund winning leagues with a budget that made the 2004 Arsenal team look embarrassingly overpaid. Spending is one thing, getting the most of the players you have, the most out of the wages you spend and the best winning spirit in your squad, wenger has been an unmitigated failure for 8 years.
 
Newbie007 said:
Not going to add yourself in that? You change your mind about Wenger hourly.
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not changed my tune for years.

Go and moan about liverpool fans who want rodgers out. they are the real fickle ones that want a manager out after 10 bad games vs arsenal fans who want wenger out after 10 seasons of same old.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Unprecedented service and success, neither of these things are true.

League/cup double, done before at Arsenal. european success, won the cup winners cup in 93/94, nothing under Wenger, FA cup, won before, 3 league titles, impressive but Arsenal/Utd were in a league of there own wage spending wise through Wenger's early years.

Staying this long in a job where the other offers have dried up, you're being paid more than you can get elsewhere and it's a ridiculously high salary being amongst the top paid in the profession in the world while failing, sure.

Arsenal had one of the most expensive teams in the league during the early successful years, the 2004 team was actually one of the cheapest teams(in terms of total wage and transfer spend compared to the highest spending team in the league in the same year) to win in prem league history, yet we can't compete today due to lack of money apparently.... despite Arsenal in 2004, Atletico/Dortmund winning leagues with a budget that made the 2004 Arsenal team look embarrassingly overpaid. Spending is one thing, getting the most of the players you have, the most out of the wages you spend and the best winning spirit in your squad, wenger has been an unmitigated failure for 8 years.
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nicely putting that guy in his place :)

for me to want wenger to stay passed this season a few things needs to be addressed

1. beating the top sides we face in the 2nd half of the season

2. competing for the title or finishing 3rd

3. fixing the most obvious gaps in our squad come january

4. rotating players more instead of running them to the ground.

5. getting into the semi's of teh CL(ie start to become a team who can actually compete for the damm thing instead of being a passenger)


The majority of the above needs to happen. if not. wenger needs to go.

But we all know it wont happen but miracles sometimes do happen..
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Unprecedented service and success, neither of these things are true.

League/cup double, done before at Arsenal. european success, won the cup winners cup in 93/94, nothing under Wenger, FA cup, won before, 3 league titles, impressive but Arsenal/Utd were in a league of there own wage spending wise through Wenger's early years.

Staying this long in a job where the other offers have dried up, you're being paid more than you can get elsewhere and it's a ridiculously high salary being amongst the top paid in the profession in the world while failing, sure.

Arsenal had one of the most expensive teams in the league during the early successful years, the 2004 team was actually one of the cheapest teams(in terms of total wage and transfer spend compared to the highest spending team in the league in the same year) to win in prem league history, yet we can't compete today due to lack of money apparently.... despite Arsenal in 2004, Atletico/Dortmund winning leagues with a budget that made the 2004 Arsenal team look embarrassingly overpaid. Spending is one thing, getting the most of the players you have, the most out of the wages you spend and the best winning spirit in your squad, wenger has been an unmitigated failure for 8 years.
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I beleive Arsene Wenge is the longest serving and most succesful manger you've ever had, therefore "Unprecedented service and success" is true. No matter how much drivel you want to spout about him.
 
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