ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Non halal meat isn't going to poison Muslims either. But nope we should eat what they eat and not vice verse. Are you a Muslim by any chance?

We battle Islam daily. The fight against sexism, against oppression is literally a battle on one hand against Islam. The battle against international terrorism is again 99% a battle solely against Islam. There is so little good that Islam brings to the west, I will ask you - why do we want to encourage the growth of Islam In The U.K.? How does it benefit us?

The religion is simply too constricting for Muslims to lead a normal, cooperate and fulfilling life based upon western values.

You can bring up Judaism as much as you want but we don't see the Jewish people capturing hundreds of schoolgirls in Nigeria, suicide bombing towns and cities, starting a new caliphate and beheading people on tv. I'm sorry there is only one religion that is causing as much destruction and grief currently and no one can tell me why we should support, or encourage this religion especially here in the uk.

It does give more people the chance to eat it though. Besides if you really have a thing against eating halal meat you can ways check the label of signs to see the meat being sold is halal, then not buy it... It doesn't bother me either way so... Just buy your meat from better places if you have issues with finding non halal meat at the moment, as robgmun mentions.

No one is encoraging Islam in the west that I can tell (other than maybe imams and other religious leaders, which like priests and other religious figures is their job). There is a difference between encouragement and ambivalence. You appear to want discouragement/persecution however.

I'm not bringing up Judaism other than to point out specific points. Don't claim to be on the side of animal rights, while ignoring similar practices by other religions (or as mentioned the suffering caused by other parts of the slaughter process).

That said we do see "Jewish" people building huge fences, annexing land from other states, imorisoning hundreds and killing innocent people by bombing schools and hospitals. It's called Israel, a state with a list of resolutions against it as long as your arm (would be longer if the U.S. Didn't have a veto https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine) . The difference is I don't blame Jewish people for the actions of Israel, just as I don't blame a British or Indonesian Muslim for the actions of Saudi Arabia.

It should, they are normally the cheapest nastiest meat and are terrible for your health. Stick to free-range, Corn feed or organic, that's how chicken is supposed to taste like, not some tasteless lump filled with water to artificially increase it's mass

While I agree, much of the problem is now the industrial scale of most abattoirs in the UK now. The transportation of the animals (quite possibly hundreds of miles) and the scale of the penning and forcing the animals into the killing rooms. Unfortunately that's largely a product of the amount of meat needed to feed our population. Good free range farms are less likely to use industrial abattoirs, and more likely to use their own small on site one though.
 
Just use the search feature on the site.

Or take you're pick :
http://www.willowbrookorganic.org/

They even have pictures of the chicken's for you to frame.

;)

I think what you are missing is that more expensive meat, from animals where more care and attention is take on their upbringing and slaughter, is more likely to have a clear trail from where it was killed and how it was killed. Much of the bulk frozen stuff usually bought by restaurants/takeaways will not have that trail, probably coming from the cheapest sources they can find.

Buy stuff from places like the Ginger Pig or other speciality farms and they will be able to tell you what breed, where it was farmed, whee it was killed and how old it was.
 
I assume they mean 22LR and 5.56mm (or similar like 5.45) rather than 22mm and 5.5m? :S

EDIT: .22 is 5.5mm as well :S

Sounds more like they were heading to NI than anything middle eastern terrorist related.

NI - northern Iraq?

Sounds like they were going to the Kurds rather than ISIS, which would still explain the smuggling. I'm sure the Turks wouldn't want them heading to Kurds, even those fighting ISIS.

Where would you get that many rounds though? Eastern Europe?
 
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It should, they are normally the cheapest nastiest meat and are terrible for your health. Stick to free-range, Corn feed or organic, that's how chicken is supposed to taste like, not some tasteless lump filled with water to artificially increase it's mass

What has any of that got to do with halal?
 
I think what you are missing is that more expensive meat, from animals where more care and attention is take on their upbringing and slaughter, is more likely to have a clear trail from where it was killed and how it was killed. Much of the bulk frozen stuff usually bought by restaurants/takeaways will not have that trail, probably coming from the cheapest sources they can find.

Buy stuff from places like the Ginger Pig or other speciality farms and they will be able to tell you what breed, where it was farmed, whee it was killed and how old it was.

Completely agree.

My post was meant as a tongue in cheek comment.

Halal or not what you said applies to any meat.
 
Lol you have obviously not read the Quran... tell me why have the Deash taken so long to turn up and follow the so called legitimate version? While the other 2+ billion Muslims have been reading the Quran wrong all this time...

There's been fundamentalists for as long as the religion has existed, the divisions in Islam started when the prophet popped his clogs and didn't leave a natural successor.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/muslims-adhere-to-different-islamic-sects.html
 
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NI - northern Iraq?

Sounds like they were going to the Kurds rather than ISIS, which would still explain the smuggling. I'm sure the Turks wouldn't want them heading to Kurds, even those fighting ISIS.

Where would you get that many rounds though? Eastern Europe?

Oh I assumed they were going the other way - towards the UK so hence more likely whatever former IRA faction/gang or whatever was re-arming with the current escalation of tensions. The number does seem a bit excessive for middle eastern originated terrorism in the UK anyhow heh.

EDIT: Does say "into Turkey" in big letters and all dunno how I read it as going from Greece towards the UK.
 
NI - northern Iraq?

Sounds like they were going to the Kurds rather than ISIS, which would still explain the smuggling. I'm sure the Turks wouldn't want them heading to Kurds, even those fighting ISIS.

Where would you get that many rounds though? Eastern Europe?

This was my understanding, they were shipping arms to the north or iraq, to reinforce kurds under pressure from IS.
Was there any suggestion they were coming this way?
I thought they'd bought a stack of arms in eastern europe, and were bringing them to the warzone.
 
You seem to have Islam (religion) mixed up with political/ terrorists factions if you bother to acutaly study the religion you would have noticed boko harma, ISIL etc are far from the teaching of Islam.

You views are very narrow minded should be blame Jews for the stealing land killing civilians, imposing racists laws in Israel ? Should be blame Christians for the KKK, or the terror attacks against abortion clinics or black churches, Slaughter of Muslims in Congo?



No as these group with Political agenda religion is between the person and god, if that person is evil then he or she will bring evil to their religion.

Wow let me guess another muslim with an axe to grind over israel. You guys need to worry more about your religious and political brothers shaming the name of your religion right now.

My views are not that narrow minded. That's because we have so many Islamic groups out there, al quaeda, Taliban, boko haram, alnusra.. and who are the so called arab league attacking? Er no one or are shelling syrian kurds. Let's face it the if the entire muslim people are being let down by fringe groups with false teachings, they are doing nothing to resolve the issues. But keep complaining about israel that will really solve the issue...
 
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Lol you have obviously not read the Quran... tell me why have the Deash taken so long to turn up and follow the so called legitimate version? While the other 2+ billion Muslims have been reading the Quran wrong all this time...

There have been many caliphates. Thus far they have all been wrong.
Doesn't seem to stop them trying, growing, breeding, and trying again.
 
Do you subscribe to that? I get a chain of popups on the ipad, telling me to register before i can read anything.
Something i do not wish to do.

Strange, I get the same now but earlier it let me read the article - apologies for that. Here's the same article on yahoo news: http://news.yahoo.com/why-russian-engineers-working-islamic-231014093.html

Just goes to show that this conflict is a lot more complex than the MSM are portraying it as. The only thing I'm sure of is that the only real allies "the west" has are other western nations.
 
It does give more people the chance to eat it though. Besides if you really have a thing against eating halal meat you can ways check the label of signs to see the meat being sold is halal, then not buy it... It doesn't bother me either way so... Just buy your meat from better places if you have issues with finding non halal meat at the moment, as robgmun mentions.

No one is encoraging Islam in the west that I can tell (other than maybe imams and other religious leaders, which like priests and other religious figures is their job). There is a difference between encouragement and ambivalence. You appear to want discouragement/persecution however.

I'm not bringing up Judaism other than to point out specific points. Don't claim to be on the side of animal rights, while ignoring similar practices by other religions (or as mentioned the suffering caused by other parts of the slaughter process).

That said we do see "Jewish" people building huge fences, annexing land from other states, imorisoning hundreds and killing innocent people by bombing schools and hospitals. It's called Israel, a state with a list of resolutions against it as long as your arm (would be longer if the U.S. Didn't have a veto https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine) . The difference is I don't blame Jewish people for the actions of Israel, just as I don't blame a British or Indonesian Muslim for the actions of Saudi Arabia.



While I agree, much of the problem is now the industrial scale of most abattoirs in the UK now. The transportation of the animals (quite possibly hundreds of miles) and the scale of the penning and forcing the animals into the killing rooms. Unfortunately that's largely a product of the amount of meat needed to feed our population. Good free range farms are less likely to use industrial abattoirs, and more likely to use their own small on site one though.

If it's part of school lunch or unlabelled in supermarkets how does that work? See instead of trying to fix the issue you are basically saying 'get used to it'. My point is it should be a, banned, b, not force fed to everyone, c, clearly labelled if allowed to be sold at all.

By exempting it from the law and not enforcing labelling or restricting it's resale we are effectively encouraging islam to be here. We aren't discouraging it or even playing it safe and going 50/50 we are literally encouraging it. We don'tmonitor or minute or hold shariah courts to proper standards, we turn away and let them do whatever they want. Why?
 
We don'tmonitor or minute or hold shariah courts to proper standards, we turn away and let them do whatever they want. Why?

You're free to set up your own court too. You can preside over decisions made on marriages/relationships, family feuds, etc.

All you cannot do is replace the law system we already have in place.
 
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