[BleepingComputer] UK Passes the Most Extreme Surveillance Law in the History of Western Democracy

So, no-one then?

Don't take it out of context. Why should people be entitled to privacy if all it gets used for is illegal purposes?

By that context I shouldn't be allowed to use CCTV around my house, as it clearly intrudes on the privacy of the burglars who may try to break in.
 
If you think privacy is unimportant for you because you have nothing to hide, you might as well say free speech is unimportant for you because you have nothing useful to say.

- Some Guy
 
No probably not, but I'm sure they can remove access to websites providing them, and remove the commercial side of it - stopping Bob from down the pub using one, because it lets him watch region locked streaming TV channels or download his "Linux isos".

Don't get me wrong I do understand the privacy implications, but a lot of it surely has been brought on by people who haven't a genuine need for privacy, and instead are using tech like VPNs for activities that are going to draw attention.

There are lots of legitimate reasons for using VPN's, businesses for one will heavily rely on one. I require use of a VPN to access my works global network if i'm external to the office. By "banning VPN's" would mean something like 25% of the workforce couldn't do their jobs as they couldn't access the network resources.
 
There are lots of legitimate reasons for using VPN's, businesses for one will heavily rely on one. I require use of a VPN to access my works global network if i'm external to the office. By "banning VPN's" would mean something like 25% of the workforce couldn't do their jobs as they couldn't access the network resources.

I don't doubt that there are legitimate reasons - why shouldn't a business' data be kept private and secure via VPN?

However I question how much total traffic that VPNs carry these days is "business data", when a large amount of people who aren't I.T. literate know how to use a VPN, in order to bypass region restrictions, traffic shaping, and blocked websites.
 
Any decent VPN routers out there worthing looking at and open/free UK based VPN services to hook-up to from the router?

Problem i see with VPN though is it's going to affect latency.
 
Any decent VPN routers out there worthing looking at and open/free UK based VPN services to hook-up to from the router?

Problem i see with VPN though is it's going to affect latency.
I was looking at purevpn for the split tunneling feature, so I can use it for web browsing, while leaving steam traffic untouched (online games, so meh and you're not suppose to use a vpn with steam).
This may solve your problems. Well, unless you're playing hentai games and are ashamed to the point where you want to hide it from the gov :)
 
Don't take it out of context. Why should people be entitled to privacy if all it gets used for is illegal purposes?
On what planet is privacy only used for illegal purposes? You seem to assume that privacy is only needed by criminals for some reason. I and others have already listed various reasons why privacy is important, even without considering the internet as part of the equation. The fact that the government is involved makes it a matter of free speech also.

By that context I shouldn't be allowed to use CCTV around my house, as it clearly intrudes on the privacy of the burglars who may try to break in.
You can have CCTV to protect your private property; that is a completely seperate case. However, imagine the government imposing their own brand of CCTV cameras be installed all over your house. You can't tamper with them, you can't see who has access to them at any given time, you can't stop malicious people from poking around at the back of them, you can't view the footage, and you can't turn them off or avoid them if you want to. Even aside from the privacy concerns, I doubt you'd feel safer with that setup.

I don't doubt that there are legitimate reasons - why shouldn't a business' data be kept private and secure via VPN?

However I question how much total traffic that VPNs carry these days is "business data", when a large amount of people who aren't I.T. literate know how to use a VPN, in order to bypass region restrictions, traffic shaping, and blocked websites.
You might as well say that safes shouldn't be allowed because you can keep illegal items in them though. This isn't a new realm of thought, the desire to curb freedoms and privacy for the sake of "security" has pretty much always existed in society. It just takes on a new form today with this thing we call the internet...and I guess for a lot of people the fear mongering about the internet disguises the actual cornerstones of democracy at stake here.
 
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This may solve your problems. Well, unless you're playing hentai games and are ashamed to the point where you want to hide it from the gov :)

I'd rather have a hardware solution, so i can avoid installing clients on 6 machines and i can still protect phones etc.
Could i set up a Gateway PC with this client on? Would that work?
 
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This may solve your problems. Well, unless you're playing hentai games and are ashamed to the point where you want to hide it from the gov :)
Not sure it's possible to do "split VPN" using a router. I know my Archer VR900 can host a VPN server (although I don't use it since I have my own server doing that) but I don't know if it can actually be configured to relay all traffic through another VPN server.
 
Surely at some point vpns will just be banned? I mean if you have nothing to hide, why would you need a VPN?

Your attitude is both tiresome and annoying. Try and educate yourself as to the whys, rather than continually bleating the "I have nothing to hide" fallacy.

I hope the open rights group or the like take this to the ECHR.
 
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Your attitude is both tiresome and annoying. Try and educate yourself as to the whys, rather than continually bleating the "I have nothing to hide" fallacy.

I clearly can't be educated then, as honestly I can't see how a VPN would benefit me in day to day life. It doesn't affect my online banking or shopping habits, doesn't benefit me when posting on public forums, doesn't help me with online gaming, or streaming via any of my paid for services.
 
I didn't say a VPN would benefit you, did I? I said that saying "I have nothing to hide" is a fallacy.

And no, you're clearly not educated. So the government can push through legislation like this, at the expense of everyone, because not enough people care enough to complain. There is no coming back from this. Once you've lost a privacy, it's gone.

What do you not understand about the loss of privacy being a bad thing?
 
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I clearly can't be educated then, as honestly I can't see how a VPN would benefit me in day to day life. It doesn't affect my online banking or shopping habits, doesn't benefit me when posting on public forums, doesn't help me with online gaming, or streaming via any of my paid for services.

It won't benefit you then.

If you just wanted another level of security to what you usually do, it would.
If you had your own business, it would.
If you wanted a remote connection to your home server, it would.
 
I didn't say a VPN would benefit you, did I? I said that saying "I have nothing to hide" is a fallacy.

No you didn't, but replace VPN with "online privacy" in my previous statement, and again how does it benefit me - It honestly makes no difference to me.


So the government can push through legislation like this, at the expense of everyone, because not enough people care enough to complain. There is no coming back from this. Once you've lost a privacy, it's gone.

What do you not understand about the loss of privacy being a bad thing?

As already said, I don't agree with it and I do understand that it is a bad thing (and is unlikely to solve any of the issues it's being targeted at). But for a lot of people, it makes no difference whether their traffic is logged.
 
Man.. it's really time to invest in VPN companies and Data storage companies... they will be raking it in.
 
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