Reducing the amount of pit crew could spice things up
Have it like NASCAR - enough crew to do two tyres at once, rather than all four
Turkish Grand Prix 2011, Istanbul Park - Race 4/19
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Have it like NASCAR - enough crew to do two tyres at once, rather than all four
Yes... but we do want races to be won on merit not luck. Being too unpredictable just makes it a farce.
Have it like NASCAR - enough crew to do two tyres at once, rather than all four
Lets make it really interesting and make the pit crew swim 50 yards, cycle 50 yards, run 50 yards then climb the travelator before they can work on the car!
just out of interest was this as a dedicated weekend for the gp or were you there on holiday...asking as me and my friends are looking to go slightly further for our next gp and turkey looks like an interesting one and pretty good for spectating...
any advice? we did spa last year, unfortunatly im missing out on hungary this year as bought a house and cant afford it but they are driving over on a roadtrip!
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/169173/1/whitmarsh_hamiltons_aggression_doesnt_always_pay.html
Interesting bit from Whitmarsh on how Hamiltons aggression costs him places. Again for me it highlights that F1 currently needs DRS if the tyres are so delicate that a laps hard battling can ruin your race.
Imagine these tyres without DRS, you would attack for a lap then fall back again. The trouble is the general public seem to love these tyres so they won't change them
Go back to the old tires and use DRS..now that would work better.
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I predict Monaco will be a 5 stop race.
Pirelli bringing the red stripe super soft
Pirelli bringing the red stripe super soft
That would take some serious re-tooling of the pitlane.
Would be pretty awesome though
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Not just that, but I want to watch F1, not wacky races.
Did any of you used to watch A1GP? They had a limited number of pit crew, and they all had to stay in the garage until after the car had come to a stop.
It was good to watch, but part of me thinks that changing 4 tyres in 4 seconds is all part of F1 (although DTM does 4 tyres, and refuelling, in under 3)
It was good to watch, but part of me thinks that changing 4 tyres in 4 seconds is all part of F1 (although DTM does 4 tyres, and refuelling, in under 3
)That's what I think, too.
It's just as predictable now only with more stops. Whats the difference between everyone doing 2 stops and everyone doing 4. Nothing except the ones that require 4 stops fall apart as soon as you try and overtake outside of an easy DRS zone.
This isn't strategy, strategy would be if the tyres where closer in compound and you actually made a choice what tyre you would run between say 2 or 3 stops. Running a slightly harder tyre to stop one less or go faster and shorter runs.
What you currently have is a system where you have to run a tyre you wouldn't overwise for one stint, pointless. How about doing the same in other areas, for one stint in the race you must run without a rear wing. Equally as stupid. Every weekend there is one tyre that is actually of use and they suffer the other tyre for a stint.
I wouldn't mind if the tyres started to blister and you lost a bit of pace but they just drop off. It will become pointless attacking if your tyres have 3 laps of life taken out of them.
Half and half. We took the first 3 days just for the grand prix, and then took the next 4 solely in Istanbul as tourists. Great view from Silver 8
If you want to do all 3 days, I recommend staying somewhere close to the track. In hindsight I'd have done that, and then moved to a hotel in the old town of Istanbul after the Sunday. The journey back took well over 3 hours on the longest day (after the race).
The difference is that the more stops you have the more variation in strategy there is.
There is also a greater chance of at least 1 of the pit-stops going wrong. This forces everybody in the team (including the pit crew) to play their part.
At the extreme end of things, if you had only 1 stop, say, then Vettel, could come in from 1st place, have his 1 and only stop. It is very likely that he will stay in the lead till the end of the race.
Now, if we had say 4-5 stops, even after Vettel (who was leading), has had his first stop, there is still a great chance that he will not be leading on the final lap of the GP.
The idea is to make the race result unpredictable and prevent Vettel from winning every race.
The only race Vettel lost this season was due to a variation in pit strategy and having tyres which die quickly. Had we been using last year's Bridgestone tyres, Vettel would've won all 4 races.
That, my friend, is the difference that less durable tyres and a greater number of pit stops may have on a race result.
Are you not watching the racing, there is no variation in strategy. It was 4 stops or fail. The tyres offer far too much pace when new and far too much drop off when raced hard. As soon as someone tried to do one less stop and conserve the tyre it didn't work.
but wont you just end up with everyone doing 4 stops so still no variation?
on a side note just watched some dtm pit stops on youtube, holy **** there quick
The big problem now is the tyre compound rule.
What we really need are two tyres. One - a soft, grippy compound that can be coaxed into doing 45 miles or raced hard with for 20. Two - a hard wearing tyre that can run for 60 miles at a half decent clip or coaxed into running a race distance if you're prepared to sacrifice time on the road in favour of not stopping in the pitlane. Right now, there's actually no real difference in the two compounds that Pirelli bring - they're both knackered in pretty short order.
The thing is - drivers have to use both compounds in the race. So there's bugger-all incentive for Pirelli to make the tyre compounds all that different. The FIA has a very simple choice here - either mandate one tyre compound for each race, or allow free reign on tyre strategy. And in this era of cost cutting (where you can't test your car in-season, but you can spend a ****-load on finding a diffuser design that steals a march on your rivals....) there's pretty much no chance of TPTB allowing teams to use the tyre they want, when they want to.
What we really need are two tyres. One - a soft, grippy compound that can be coaxed into doing 45 miles or raced hard with for 20. Two - a hard wearing tyre that can run for 60 miles at a half decent clip or coaxed into running a race distance if you're prepared to sacrifice time on the road in favour of not stopping in the pitlane. Right now, there's actually no real difference in the two compounds that Pirelli bring - they're both knackered in pretty short order.
The thing is - drivers have to use both compounds in the race. So there's bugger-all incentive for Pirelli to make the tyre compounds all that different. The FIA has a very simple choice here - either mandate one tyre compound for each race, or allow free reign on tyre strategy. And in this era of cost cutting (where you can't test your car in-season, but you can spend a ****-load on finding a diffuser design that steals a march on your rivals....) there's pretty much no chance of TPTB allowing teams to use the tyre they want, when they want to.
Half and half. We took the first 3 days just for the grand prix, and then took the next 4 solely in Istanbul as tourists. Great view from Silver 8
If you want to do all 3 days, I recommend staying somewhere close to the track. In hindsight I'd have done that, and then moved to a hotel in the old town of Istanbul after the Sunday. The journey back took well over 3 hours on the longest day (after the race).
Wow, looks good.
How busy was it? Looked proper empty most of the time? Is there anywhere near the track worth staying?
Seated tickets are cheap compared to other grand prix - 135 Euro each. It was about half full though, with only the grandstands in the best corners filled. General admission areas were busy though, but I can't imagine it was a great experience as it rained on Friday and the ground doesn't take the water too well, if you know what I mean.
No idea about hotels near the track, but to balance my previous comment out (and add confusion!) there's probably bugger all to do around that area, so if you do get back early then you're limited to a few bars and restaurants. Although I moan about the 3+ hour journey back, it was good to talk to all the other visitors about the race etc.
Definitely a BYO for food and drink. £7 a beer at the circuit!
No idea about hotels near the track, but to balance my previous comment out (and add confusion!) there's probably bugger all to do around that area, so if you do get back early then you're limited to a few bars and restaurants. Although I moan about the 3+ hour journey back, it was good to talk to all the other visitors about the race etc.
Definitely a BYO for food and drink. £7 a beer at the circuit!