**XBOX ONE** Official Thread

Shamikebab said:
Why should families be allowed special dispensation? If I live in a house with 3 friends should we only be allowed to buy one copy and share it amongst us? When I was young....I got my own games.
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I don't know your age, but when I was young games came on cassettes at £0.99 or £1.99. Not upwards of £40 as it is now.

If MS was able to link accounts based on billing address then fine, you and your friends should be able to buy just one copy.

Either way, both scenario's are slightly different.
 
Macro said:
It'll be difficult to justify to publishers why Xbox (or PS4) specifically allows sharing of games to 2 or 3 other "family members" as publishers will regard that rightly or wrongly as lost revenue.

It's one thing to have no really way of stopping it, it's something altogether different to actually permit as a feature. AAs Shamikebab says, why should there be a differentiation between me giving my son a free copy of a game and giving a copy to a mate.

Tricky... Perhaps a good opportunity with new technology and platform though for MS and the publishers to take this whole DRM things by the horns and come up with a good way of allowing limited legal sharing that is a good compromise for both games publishers and gamers?
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I think this is the kind of opportunity where platform owners can ingratiate themselves with a certain sub-set of customers who for the most part become evangelists and loyal even though potentially theyll lose a few sales.

Cold, hard facts just dont buy that kind of loyalty - its something Ive seen wane considerably with the Xbox brand compared to the PS one...

It doesnt sit well with me that with the advent of online gaming that such 'gaming traditions' are so easily swept aside as no offence those publishers/developers/platform owners just wouldnt be anywhere without the money we pumped into what now is such a lucrative industry - Im not talking about expected entitlement, just a decent amount of respect.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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ps3ud0 said:
To me its normal to lend out games, movies etc for many, many years over different formats and platforms. Its what I expect to be able to do and if a platform tried to stop me doing that, then its not unsurprising that Id be vocal and vote with my wallet.

I just dont think my personal experience will differ that much from many. I may not be able to morally justify what Ive done in the past, but to me it wasnt a big thing to do in the first place. I guess this goes down the road of what you license compared to what you own though, not a discussion to be had here...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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That's pretty much the same as me. Growing up I've borrows games from friends and family and vice versa. I just feel like I'm being forced into paying £40+ just to rent a game. No way in hell will I do that. If I pay money for something I expect it to be mine. Just like a games console has always been. If the cost of new releases was around £20 it wouldn't be as bad and I might even be tempted but we are in a recession and people can't afford paying rrp every time.

Ms need to realise that yes publishers are losing money to second hand sales but they will also lose money through console sales now as a lot of people don't want this type of bs. Ms over the past few years seem to be pushing things that people don't give a damn about and I don't just mean console wise.

Also what's with all the dlc that we get charged for upon release of a game that's already on the disc? Why do companies think they can just shaft us over in any way possible.

Good games normally sell well. Yes some good ones don't but that's normally down to not having good advertising. Developers and publishers should stop pushing turd out and expecting it to make them billions.
 
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jamesy505 said:
I don't know your age, but when I was young games came on cassettes at £0.99 or £1.99. Not upwards of £40 as it is now.

If MS was able to link accounts based on billing address then fine, you and your friends should be able to buy just one copy.

Either way, both scenario's are slightly different.
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No games are upwards of £40, unless they're special accessories (guitar hero etc)

Also you don't have to buy games on release day, games are dropping in price fairly quickly, you can usually get games £20 ish after 2/4 weeks.
 
Shamikebab said:
No games are upwards of £40, unless they're special accessories (guitar hero etc)

Also you don't have to buy games on release day, games are dropping in price fairly quickly, you can usually get games £20 ish after 2/4 weeks.
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When a new gen comes out a lot of places push up rrp, and the game prices drop with the help of second hand sales. If the second hand market is gone then I really don't see many games dropping in price like they have this gen.

That's what I feel anyway.
 
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It'll be interesting to see, perhaps a legalised way of sharing a game with 2 or 3 family members authorised via your Live account would be a good compromise?

It's still not entirely clear what Sonys take on pre owned games will be. Back in February they seemed to suggest no pre owned games on PS4, then later yes the PS4 is capable of playing used game but didn't rule out charges for activation codes.

Shuhei Yoshida said in February:
On activation codes for secondhand PS4 titles: It's a publisher decision. We are not talking about it. Sorry.

There's probably better articles around but one from the time below:

Apparently, the console will indeed play used games. When asked whether the expectation that a physical copy of a game would continue to have value, head of Sony Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida said, "Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers. They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation."

He added, "So, used games can play on PS4."

However, it might be a little too soon to celebrate. Last month a patent filed by Sony was uncovered that would require an activation code be purchased for each player ID. The abstract read, "A game playing system includes a use permission tag provided for use in a game disk for a user of a game, a disk drive, and a reproduction device for reproducing the game."

Sony's reasoning in this instance was that "it is vital to redistribute part of proceeds from sales of the electronic content to the developers", which is not an unfair assessment. However, if indeed this is how the company plans to implement support for used games on the PlayStation 4, the reception by gamers will hinge very much on how much they will be expected to pay for activation codes, and exactly how the proceeds will be distributed between the developers and Sony.

I get the feeling the PS4 systems may not be so far removed from the Xbox one. :(
 
If it's a small reasonable fee then it might lead people to change there mind but when ms said it would be msrp it's just ridiculous. If they expect everybody to pay full price for games, second hand or not I hope we see more content and less dlc or at least less expensive dlc.

I hope companies like love film can come to an agreement with ms, as I wouldn't mind paying a little extra to rent games.
 
Look up any software developers EULA. They all have the same rule. So no, it shouldnt be expected to allow shared games.

Rockstar
TRANSFER OF PRE-RECORDED COPIES. You may transfer the entire physical copy of pre-recorded Software and accompanying documentation on a permanent basis to another person as long as you retain no copies (including archival or backup copies) of the Software, accompanying documentation, or any portion or component of the Software or accompanying documentation, and the recipient agrees to the terms of this Agreement. Special Features, including content otherwise unavailable without a single-use serial code, are not transferrable to another person under any circumstances and Special Features may cease functioning if the original installation copy of the software is deleted or the pre-recorded copy is unavailable to the user. The Software is intended for private use only. NOTWITHSTANDING THE FOREGOING, YOU MAY NOT TRANSFER ANY PRE-RELEASE COPIES OF THE SOFTWARE.
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TakeTwo
TRANSFER OF PRE-RECORDED COPIES: You may transfer the entire physical copy of pre-recorded Software and accompanying documentation on a permanent basis to another person as long as you retain no copies (including archival or backup copies) of the Software, accompanying documentation, or any portion or component of the Software or accompanying documentation, and the recipient agrees to the terms of this Agreement. Special Features, including content otherwise unavailable without a single-use serial code, are not transferrable to another person under any circumstances and Special Features may cease functioning if the original installation copy of the software is deleted or the pre-recorded copy is unavailable to the user. The Software is intended for private use only. NOTWITHSTANDING THE FOREGOING, YOU MAY NOT TRANSFER ANY PRE-RELEASE COPIES OF THE SOFTWARE.
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So those are first 2 developers I found, I'm pretty sure its standard stuff, so no doubt the same applies with other developers.
 
Shamikebab said:
Why should families be allowed special dispensation? If I live in a house with 3 friends should we only be allowed to buy one copy and share it amongst us? When I was young....I got my own games.
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Shamikebab said:
Well I can't be blamed for people being idiots. You can find all those games for £40 or under easily.



you are a fanboy.
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Ooh, you called someone a fanboy on the Internet.

Bet you feel awesome now.
 
I remember trading game after game at the local video shop when I had my mega drive. Shame they want to do away with that sort of thing.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Haven't quite kept up with this thread but I'm assuming you're being accused of being an Xbox fanboy given you've got 50 odd posts in this thread and only 1 in the PS4 thread ;)
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Nope!

I can see his point of view on a lot of the stuff, but there's no point banging on about it. Both "sides" have fanboys, there's not much point trying to have a discussion with someone about the negatives or positives because somebody from the other side just wades in and then the thread turns full retard.
 
You never go full retard =\

:p

To be honest it seems negative publicity gets people talking/arguing. More so than positive.

The worst thing to attack Sony over currently is the lack of a console unveiling. If there was more to pick on, I'm sure the thread over there would be much bigger.
 
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