£10 for 5 MW2 Maps LOL

[oli356]

Yeah, I agree, and it's sad. All we can do is hope they don't, or at least hope only the console guys buy it.

Not heard from anyone who says they will buy it so far
After buying the pc (LITTLE bit more expensive then a xbox or ps3) sucks to have to spend moree

 

[matthab]

mw2 never kept me that hooked to worry about the DLC.

 

[Killerkebab]

Well the past has many examples of being in such a position & not being greedy about it.
But people like to use the excuse of well everyone in such a position would do the same to justify what they are doing as if there is no choice to not doing so, which would make us nothing more than a but of sheep following lemmings if at times some people didn't take a stand.

No game developer has been in the same position imo, simply because this is the first game (if I'm not mistaken) which has dwarfed all other forms of digital entertainment for sales and consumption (movies, music, anything).

Do you agree with paying £7.50 for a cinema ticket and then £10+ for a DVD for 2 hours of entertainment? Do you agree with paying £10+ for a music album? No, but those massive industries have been getting away with it, imo because they're huge. They (Activision) are in a unique position in the gaming industry to get away with it, and we can only hope that they don't.

Not heard from anyone who says they will buy it so far
After buying the pc (LITTLE bit more expensive then a xbox or ps3) sucks to have to spend moree

The price of PC vs. consoles belongs in another thread (note that this is one bit where I disagree with you ), but depending on reviews, I can see myself buying it. I never played MW1 and I can't afford BC2 yet.

 

[Final8y]

No game developer has been in the same position imo, simply because this is the first game (if I'm not mistaken) which has dwarfed all other forms of digital entertainment for sales and consumption (movies, music, anything).

Wrong! there are many games that have been in that position in there time & many better games to & sounds like your making excuse again as if they could not of been doing things another way, they just must overcharge for everything rule that comes from a book that has only been written just for MW2 because in your view nothing else like it has existed before.

 

[Kenai]

But by complaining there is then a record (all over the place) of what we don't like and why we don't like it. If for whatever reason Activision don't sell as many of the packs as they expected and go to research why, this way wherever they look they will see lots of people clearly disagreeing with the principle of charging £12 for 3 new maps and 2 old rehashed ones.

If we all just shut up and said nothing as you suggest then what conclusion would they come to? Perhaps just that they judged it wrong and the interest in MW2 had died down more than they expected?

It applies to anything, take Spore for example, everyone kicked up a huge fuss about the DRM aspect and it was clear people weren't happy about that sort of thing, where as had we just 'not bought it and stopped moaning' they'd perhaps have just assumed people didn't like the game very much but had absolutely no issue with the DRM they had used.

'All we can do is hope' is just lazy and apathetic, we can verbally raise objections to certain ideas and practices where we deem it fit and hopefully influence some people somewhere with a bit of power when a company comes to review the performance of its games. Maybe just make enough of a noise that someone pipes up and says 'hey guys, we seem to be alienating a fair number of people, maybe it's worth looking into and perhaps reviewing the prices we charge for DLC?'

If we just say nothing though there is no chance at all that could happen. A slim chance is better than no chance.

 

[Kenai]

Now what I want to know is why that earned me a few choice insults and attacks

Because you posted it in a smug condescending manner, like you were talking to mentally deficient 6 year olds.

 

[Final8y]

But by complaining there is then a record (all over the place) of what we don't like and why we don't like it. If for whatever reason Activision don't sell as many of the packs as they expected and go to research why, this way wherever they look they will see lots of people clearly disagreeing with the principle of charging £12 for 3 new maps and 2 old rehashed ones.

If we all just shut up and said nothing as you suggest then what conclusion would they come to? Perhaps just that they judged it wrong and the interest in MW2 had died down more than they expected?

It applies to anything, take Spore for example, everyone kicked up a huge fuss about the DRM aspect and it was clear people weren't happy about that sort of thing, where as had we just 'not bought it and stopped moaning' they'd perhaps have just assumed people didn't like the game very much but had absolutely no issue with the DRM they had used.

'All we can do is hope' is just lazy and apathetic, we can verbally raise objections to certain ideas and practices where we deem it fit and hopefully influence some people somewhere with a bit of power when a company comes to review the performance of its games. Maybe just make enough of a noise that someone pipes up and says 'hey guys, we seem to be alienating a fair number of people, maybe it's worth looking into and perhaps reviewing the prices we charge for DLC?'

If we just say nothing though there is no chance at all that could happen. A slim chance is better than no chance.

Good post.
And people not speaking up is a big problem with many things in life.

 

[Killerkebab]

Wrong! there are many games that have been in that position in there time & many better games to & sounds like your making excuse again as if they could not of been doing things another way, they just must overcharge for everything rule that comes from a book that has only been written just for MW2 because in your view nothing else like it has existed before.

What games? Genuinely curious here.

Because you posted it in a smug condescending manner, like you were talking to mentally deficient 6 year olds.

... and rather than bring that up nicely, you prefer to throw insults out. Things people get suspended for :/

It applies to anything, take Spore for example, everyone kicked up a huge fuss about the DRM aspect and it was clear people weren't happy about that sort of thing, where as had we just 'not bought it and stopped moaning' they'd perhaps have just assumed people didn't like the game very much but had absolutely no issue with the DRM they had used.

Now there's a good point. Hadn't thought of that. On a side note, was the game any good, and did they remove DRM? (again, no sarcasm here, I'm genuinely curious)

EDIT: Just looked this up, you're right - though I couldn't find out if retail copies had DRM removed, only Steam.

But by complaining there is then a record (all over the place) of what we don't like and why we don't like it. If for whatever reason Activision don't sell as many of the packs as they expected and go to research why, this way wherever they look they will see lots of people clearly disagreeing with the principle of charging £12 for 3 new maps and 2 old rehashed ones.

If we all just shut up and said nothing as you suggest then what conclusion would they come to? Perhaps just that they judged it wrong and the interest in MW2 had died down more than they expected?

I assumed they'd get the message if the numbers playing the regular game were high and stimulus package sales remained low.

'All we can do is hope' is just lazy and apathetic, we can verbally raise objections to certain ideas and practices where we deem it fit and hopefully influence some people somewhere with a bit of power when a company comes to review the performance of its games. Maybe just make enough of a noise that someone pipes up and says 'hey guys, we seem to be alienating a fair number of people, maybe it's worth looking into and perhaps reviewing the prices we charge for DLC?'

If we just say nothing though there is no chance at all that could happen. A slim chance is better than no chance.

I don't think they're particularly interested in our discussion here. Now, if lots of people were to write to them or on their forums...

 

[andshrew]

If for whatever reason Activision don't sell as many of the packs as they expected and go to research why, this way wherever they look they will see lots of people clearly disagreeing with the principle of charging £12 for 3 new maps and 2 old rehashed ones.

When the $15 5 map DLC pack has sold in excess of 1 million copies day one on a single platform I really can't see them coming out of this and thinking... well that sucked lets not do that again.

Times have changed, we can complain all we like but as long as the sales are coming in it's here to stay. You can blame consoles if you like but this has been looming for some time... the map packs of MW1 and COD WAW all cost on consoles but I'm entirely certain that the only reason they never charged on the PC was down to the logistics of not having a delivery platform. They are now in a position where they have this in the form of Steam and GFWL... and with Steamworks recently expanding to support micro-transactions and increased DLC presence within Steam itself it's only going to get 'worse'.

 

[Kenai]

... and rather than bring that up nicely, you prefer to throw insults out. Things people get suspended for :/

If you lower the bar and talk down to people like they're stupid, don't expect to get pleasant replies back.

Now there's a good point. Hadn't thought of that. On a side note, was the game any good, and did they remove DRM? (again, no sarcasm here, I'm genuinely curious)

They didn't remove it from Spore entirely afaik, they increased the number of activations (3 to 5) and provided a de authorisation tool that wasn't present beforehand though. I think the DRM was removed in the Steam version.

As for the game itself, it was a good concept but the implementation was a bit lacking and to me it felt a bit over simplified. I managed an almost complete play through at a mates house in one afternoon and had no desire to replay it through again after that

I assumed they'd get the message if the numbers playing the regular game were high and stimulus package sales remained low.

They'd get the message that it wasn't popular but they wouldn't necessarily have any indication as to why. Voting with your wallet only works when you make it clear why you've chosen not to purchase. Just like normal voting, if you choose not to vote, they know people aren't voting but they've no idea if it's just laziness or through protest at the system or something else.

Just not buying stuff gives no indication of whether you disagree with the price of something, the content, the attitude of the publisher or any number of things, so in and of itself is not much use in protesting something. Combined with complaints about why though, and it suddenly takes on a whole different power.

I don't think they're particularly interested in our discussion here. Now, if lots of people were to write to them or on their forums...

It's not just here though is it? It's here and every other gaming forum and blog and comment section on review sites and so on and so forth. Sure it'd be better if everyone decided to mail them but as a second best option general discussion of the issue anywhere it's relevant is not a bad option, certainly better than 'just don't buy it and stop moaning'.

 

[Kenai]

When the $15 5 map DLC pack has sold in excess of 1 million copies day one on a single platform I really can't see them coming out of this and thinking... well that sucked lets not do that again.

Which is exactly what disappoints me, the amount of people jumping at the chance to pay rip off prices for a few maps.

 

[dmxdex2020]

Any chance of these becoming downloadable?

 

[Final8y]

What games? Genuinely curious here.

Trying to get you to see simple things in relative terms for there time frame & value is hard because you simply don't understand that breaking records for its time & does not mean that it will not be broken again.

Being number 1 feels no different today than someone being number 1 decades ago. The same temptation to take advantage of such a position was there back then & always will be, its a choice not a rule.

DOOM, QUAKE & Half life. at there time they where the biggest thing since sided bread in relative terms & timeframes because the games scene was allot different back then & MW would not have made anywhere near as much as now back then because the market was much smaller & wiser.

 

[Killerkebab]

If you lower the bar and talk down to people like they're stupid, don't expect to get pleasant replies back.

I didn't think I did, and I certainly didn't mean to, but whatever. I didn't report it and it doesn't matter any more.

They'd get the message that it wasn't popular but they wouldn't necessarily have any indication as to why. Voting with your wallet only works when you make it clear why you've chosen not to purchase. Just like normal voting, if you choose not to vote, they know people aren't voting but they've no idea if it's just laziness or through protest at the system or something else.

Just not buying stuff gives no indication of whether you disagree with the price of something, the content, the attitude of the publisher or any number of things, so in and of itself is not much use in protesting something. Combined with complaints about why though, and it suddenly takes on a whole different power.

Fair point.

It's not just here though is it? It's here and every other gaming forum and blog and comment section on review sites and so on and so forth. Sure it'd be better if everyone decided to mail them but as a second best option general discussion of the issue anywhere it's relevant is not a bad option, certainly better than 'just don't buy it and stop moaning'.

True. I was just thinking commenting on online sales sites such as Amazon's (in the case of the full game) or posting all over the Steam forums would do more. In a similar vein, do you think it is possible to buy and then complain? After all, they've sold the DLC on just one platform a few million times already - we're losing our power before the thing is even released.

Trying to get you to see simple things in relative terms for there time frame & value is hard because you simply don't understand that breaking records for its time & does not mean that it will not be broken again.

Oh come on, give me a little credit. After that, you still want to say I'm the condescending one here?

Being number 1 feels no different today than someone being number 1 decades ago. The same temptation to take advantage of such a position was there back then & always will be, its a choice not a rule.

This isn't about being the number one game, this is about being the number 1 in the entertainment industry, where your competition is not other games any more.

DOOM, QUAKE & Half life. at there time they where the biggest thing since sided bread in relative terms & timeframes because the games scene was allot different back then & MW would not have made anywhere near as much as now back then because the market was much smaller & wiser.

It wouldn't, you're right. Unfortunately they (Activision) are in a unique position that no game publisher has ever had because today the market is not small, and therefore (as an average) is not wise

From what you've just posted, I'd say you're agreeing with me

 

[Evilsod]

When the $15 5 map DLC pack has sold in excess of 1 million copies day one on a single platform I really can't see them coming out of this and thinking... well that sucked lets not do that again.

Times have changed, we can complain all we like but as long as the sales are coming in it's here to stay. You can blame consoles if you like but this has been looming for some time... the map packs of MW1 and COD WAW all cost on consoles but I'm entirely certain that the only reason they never charged on the PC was down to the logistics of not having a delivery platform. They are now in a position where they have this in the form of Steam and GFWL... and with Steamworks recently expanding to support micro-transactions and increased DLC presence within Steam itself it's only going to get 'worse'.

You are aware that its Microsoft that demand a price for DLCs on the xbox right? Even if the dev wants it done for free, Microsoft wouldn't allow it. Using that as an excuse is bs.

 

[Final8y]

It wouldn't, you're right. Unfortunately they (Activision) are in a unique position that no game publisher has ever had because today the market is not small, and therefore (as an average) is not wise

From what you've just posted, I'd say you're agreeing with me

You see me as agree because you don't understand what i'm saying.

MW is not the first time that the word "Breaking all previous records" has been used & for those titles that have had the honour of such a feat would put the same position of possible exploitation at the time & they did not take it because they choose not to.

But your posting away like Activision has no choice because they have a number one game out atm, who says that Activision has no choice.

 

[Kenai]

True. I was just thinking commenting on online sales sites such as Amazon's (in the case of the full game) or posting all over the Steam forums would do more. In a similar vein, do you think it is possible to buy and then complain? After all, they've sold the DLC on just one platform a few million times already - we're losing our power before the thing is even released.

Commenting on Amazon has been shown to work well but afaik that was at least partially instigated by threads on forums such as this encouraging people to do it. It's something that wouldn't have happened had everyone not been discussing it and realised they all shared a huge dislike for the Spore DRM.

As for the Steam forums, well those ARE populated by mentally deficient 6 year olds so I tend to avoid them where possible

I'm not sure on buying and complaining, on one hand a complaint is a complaint but on the other you've somewhat undermined your position by virtue of the fact you've already lined their coffers anyway and thus demonstrated you'll happily stump up cash regardless.

But you're right, we're losing our power to protest before the thing is even released and that's yet another thing that annoys me about the whole situation.

 

[Killerkebab]

You see me as agree because you don't understand what i'm saying.

MW is not the first time that the word "Breaking all previous records" has been used & for those titles that have had the honour of such a feat would put the same position of possible exploitation at the time & they did not take it because they choose not to.

Its not just about breaking all previous records, though I do believe that MW2 was the first game release to gross more money than A-list films in similar timeframes - and I associate the idea of paying for entertainment and then paying all over again for it with the film industry

But your posting away like Activision has no choice because they have a number one game out atm, who says that Activision has no choice.

They have a choice, and they're choosing to make more money at our expense because they can get away with it.

 

[Final8y]

This isn't about being the number one game, this is about being the number 1 in the entertainment industry, where your competition is not other games any more.

Make no difference.
They are still not forced to do what they are doing because they got lucky with MW & i see a big downfall coming because of there actions because there is always a point where you can get to greedy but that effect is not apparent right away.

 

[Final8y]

Its not just about breaking all previous records, though I do believe that MW2 was the first game release to gross more money than A-list films in similar timeframes - and I associate the idea of paying for entertainment and then paying all over again for it with the film industry

They have a choice, and they're choosing to make more money at our expense because they can get away with it.

Indeed but your making the excuse for them with justification reason because they were the first at this & that & somehow being first means you must be greedy about it.
I didn't see a memo by them with those reasons because they are yours.
Hell shouldn't Goggle be charging us per search by now.