They get 344 hours of community service for shoplifting? I doubt it...
104 on the motorway.
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They get 344 hours of community service for shoplifting? I doubt it...
Sorry about this Mark, they sound like a right bunch of jobsworths, living in lala Magistrate land 
That's a steep fine to be sure, also a longer ban than I would have expected.
See you tomorrow anyway, can put the world to rights at the meet
...always makes me feel better anyway.
That's a steep fine to be sure, also a longer ban than I would have expected.
See you tomorrow anyway, can put the world to rights at the meet
...always makes me feel better anyway.
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Neither did he serve any useful purpose, you would have been as well to turn up with a seaside donkey instead!
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I'm on the force DM and I have to say that is very harsh. :/
Criminal offenders walk out of court with far less while motorists get slammed harder. After 10 years on the force I am still trying to decode some magistrates' and clerks' logic or rather the lack of.
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MrLol got a 28 day ban for doing 107 so comparable to the ban here. The length of the ban goes on circumstances at the time and two things that would have went against Dimondmark is that is was dark and he had a passenger in the car.
What is harsh in this case is the fine usually a ban would result in a lower fine. I have sat in a few cases at the local court and they are interesting to watch you are basically out of luck if the magistrate takes a dislike to you which appears to be the case here.
It is a shame you didn't take 2k in cash with you and just handed it over. What would have annoyed me the most is the way they seem to have spoken to you never any need for this and it would have had me boiling over.
What is harsh in this case is the fine usually a ban would result in a lower fine. I have sat in a few cases at the local court and they are interesting to watch you are basically out of luck if the magistrate takes a dislike to you which appears to be the case here.
It is a shame you didn't take 2k in cash with you and just handed it over. What would have annoyed me the most is the way they seem to have spoken to you never any need for this and it would have had me boiling over.
Give up, you never will. I have one as a neighbour and one who is a friend of the family and their views are at odds with one another on most things.
Similar situation, father of one my mates and a close(ish) neighbour. Guess it boils down to interpretation, not rules of law. Which, if that is the case, is as valid as 2 relatively well-balanced people having different opinions on the same matter. Varies too much.
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Something definitely caused the outcome to be disproportionate to the "crime" ... although what that is i dont know enough to speculate.
What i do know is that there is absolutely NO comparison between so called punishments these days, i've seen people driving at less speed cause major accidents involving injury, and get the same punishment, or actual criminals on 2nd or 3rd offences getting community service... yeah great idea, send the burglar out on community service so he can case his next job easier !
Tough result, as you said in a very early post, you were resigned to a ban, but 6 months is harsh, and the 2k fine is unusual with such a long ban.
There really needs to be some more consistency in these things... for all those that are saying "you broke the law, deal with it" ... fine, now show me some consistency in these things, and lets see some much stricter guidelines, so it looks less like the magistrates are dishing out fines/bans based on whether their missus put out the night before or not !
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Almost forgot, 70mph ... JOKE ... i went to wales the other day (5.50 toll WTF!) .. the motorway was flowing fairly well, apart from when some idiot pulls out doing 30 mph less than those outside of him, and i'd say the average was about 80mph, and for the most of it, there was little of what you would call "heavy traffic flow" ... then we hit the 50mph average speed zone (monitored).... traffic congested, people could not change lane, everyone was on cruise control at 50 in every lane ... people were nervous, twitchy and you could see it.... quite simply put, it was more dangerous, i saw more close calls as people changed lanes during that zone to exit the motorway than i saw on the rest of the trip entirely ... take peoples concentration away from where it should be, and you make driving more dangerous, fact!
What i do know is that there is absolutely NO comparison between so called punishments these days, i've seen people driving at less speed cause major accidents involving injury, and get the same punishment, or actual criminals on 2nd or 3rd offences getting community service... yeah great idea, send the burglar out on community service so he can case his next job easier !
Tough result, as you said in a very early post, you were resigned to a ban, but 6 months is harsh, and the 2k fine is unusual with such a long ban.
There really needs to be some more consistency in these things... for all those that are saying "you broke the law, deal with it" ... fine, now show me some consistency in these things, and lets see some much stricter guidelines, so it looks less like the magistrates are dishing out fines/bans based on whether their missus put out the night before or not !
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Almost forgot, 70mph ... JOKE ... i went to wales the other day (5.50 toll WTF!) .. the motorway was flowing fairly well, apart from when some idiot pulls out doing 30 mph less than those outside of him, and i'd say the average was about 80mph, and for the most of it, there was little of what you would call "heavy traffic flow" ... then we hit the 50mph average speed zone (monitored).... traffic congested, people could not change lane, everyone was on cruise control at 50 in every lane ... people were nervous, twitchy and you could see it.... quite simply put, it was more dangerous, i saw more close calls as people changed lanes during that zone to exit the motorway than i saw on the rest of the trip entirely ... take peoples concentration away from where it should be, and you make driving more dangerous, fact!
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sorry, just stumbled across this... couldn't resist.....
swearing
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Yea i know that now, you can represent me next time
I think you would have been much much better off going in to eat humble pie with the excuse you aren't used to driving something so powerful and are very sorry, and then provide evidence of additional driver training.
The fact your lawyer didn't suggest this means he is not worth £400 bleeding quid on top of the completely failure to get you a decent punishment! I am sure he's a decent lawyer if, as you say, he's helped out loads before, but its fairly clear this time he had no idea what he was doing.
Maybe it was a case of asking a Plumber to do some Electricians work, both involve working on a house, but aren't the same thing. Lawyer is great at working in some areas of the Law, useless for the other.
What on earth are you talking about? Of course he knows what he's doing, hes been a solicitor for 35 years. He is a criminal lawyer, and a very good one. What additional driver training do you suggest he lied about out of interest?
He put a very reasonable set of mitigating circumstances forward which were completely ignored.
All that **** about 1st powerful car, im 44 not 24 its not going to hold any water, the truth was my best defence, sadly i got a very unsympathetic bench.
Notice how I said maybe, and in my earlier post outlined how I may be talking rubbish but.... he may be a criminal lawyer, a very good one, but lawyers tend to specialise do they not? Is there not one firm in particular that deals with speeding and is known for getting celebrity types out of trouble?
What im trying to say is he may be fantastic at dealing with Assault charges, but not have a clue how to deal with driving offences. Hell, I think the punishment you got speaks volumes on that front!
What mitigating circumstances were put forward?
sorry, just stumbled across this... couldn't resist.....
As funny as it is, it should be spelt 'Doughnut'
First' powerful car, except for the Bentley in the garage, various Porsches you've had previously (this is just what I know about even), some of your Jags have been or are reasonably powerful too
...yea this wouldn't work really and you can't exactly lie when it's so easy to prove that you are.So why didnt he know that taking a flash lawyer to a magistrates court is a bit.. OTT?
Its a speeding offence, a lot of the so called expert motoring solicitors are there to try to use various loopholes to secure a not guilty, not mitigate. That wasnt going to work for me because it was a police car not a camera.
Mitigating circumstances were :
Lighted motorway in the dry.
3am absolutely empty road, car capable of that speed without shaking itself to bits.
No driving offences for 20 years, guilty plea at the first opportunity, i honestly dont think there was much else to add.
I wasnt going to start telling lies about needing a license for work or driving my poor old mum about, because it only needs a keen copper and a few enquiries and im back in court for telling lies.