A rocket lake i3 would have been pretty good for this, with the upgraded IGP.
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10th gen. Comet Lake outselling many Rocketlake CPUs
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Actually they don't have an upgraded igpu, all the chips below the 11500 still use UHD 630.
UHD 750 seems to be on par with my Radeon 550 without the overclock at least, but its still not worth paying £150.
£80 for a Pentium, or £120 for an I3 still with UHD 630 is too much. AMD used to have a sub £50 2c/4t that was a bit better than the G4560, but I haven't checked if they still make it, and AMD motherboards typically cost too much as they all have to allow overclocking the CPU.
Like this would be ok, but it uses very outdated cores now and compatible ITX motherboards cost a lot more than an Asrock one for Intel does
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3b0-am.html
AMD don't seem interested in putting out anything cheap with newer gen cores.
Pretty much the opposite of the truth. AMD boards tend to be cheaper, overclocking or no. From a quick look at PCPP, the cheapest AM4 ITX board listed is the ASRock A520M-ITX/ac at £89.99. The cheapest Intel ITX board listed is the ASRock B560M-ITX/ac at £99.48. What's more, there are five AM4 ITX boards available for under £100, including B450 ones with overclocking support, with a choice of ASRock, Gigabyte and MSI options. The previously-listed ASRock board is the single and only Intel ITX board under £100, with the next-cheapest being an awful B460 board with no memory overclocking at £104.49.
Switching to mATX doesn't help Intel here either, with A320 boards available for under £35 and B450 ones for under £50. The cheapest Intel mATX board period is a dreadful H410 model at £63, with the cheapest B560 one being £75.
You generally pay a bit more for Intel boards as the socket pins are on the board rather than the CPU which AMD currently have although AM5 is moving to a LGA socket so boards will likely be priced comparatively by then.
When you add up the CPU and board cost Intel is still quite a bit cheaper especially at the low end.
Do the AMD chips run cooler?
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Maybe thats the case now, back when I got my backup rig, Asrock ITX Intel board was £70 vs £115 for the cheapest ITX AMD board.
And no its not, based on OCUK pricing, cheapsest AMD ITX is £99.95, cheapest Intel is £93.95.
While that might not be much, availability and retailer pricing is what matters, not whateve the part picker site says.
AMD ITX boards aren't cheap anywhere that you can actually buy them, and back when rocket lake launched there was a £79 Asrock one available too.
Low end Intel motherboards are actually considerably cheaper at every actual retailer, as are their budget CPUs. They also update them every so often to the latest architecture - even though the latest Pentiums are using 10th gen cores, thats still far ahead of AMD's 2c/4t Athlon chips.
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The how and why doesn't really matter. Just debunking the claim that Intel boards are cheaper, because they're generally not. Getting into actual builds is a completely different subject, though I will say that the cheerleading of Intel as some kind of value champion rings a little hollow when we've just had several years of Ryzen being the de facto choice for budget builds, followed by maybe 8 or 9 months where Intel have finally started pricing things sensibly.
They certainly use less power. Temperatures will of course depend on your cooler, case airflow, ambient temperature, etc.
The A520 ITX board I spoke of is available and in stock right now, today, for delivery tomorrow. It's not a theoretical price. Accept that you were wrong and move on. If you want to get into historical pricing, AM4 ITX boards have also been cheaper in the past. The X470NH was available for a long time at under £80. That's a board with overclocking support too, making it great value. Of course, just like your theoretical £79 ASRock board, it's no longer available.
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Its still £20 more than a H410M-ITX, and a cheap CPU to go with it is not available.
For a gaming build that is, for the absolute cheapest web surfing build you can put together AMD never had anything competitive to Pentium chips, and Intel always had competitive solid options in the I3 and I5 lineup for anything on offer from AMD.
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Whether it's AMD or Intel they are both are just companies that will prioritise profit margins and shareholders and will charge what they can get away with, they are no different in that respect.
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AMD mini-ITX motherboards for the most part have tended to be more expensive over the last 15 years than the Intel ones,and I have been using mostly SFF PCs since 2005,and use an AM4 based one currently.I have helped mates out with AMD based SFF builds even going back to socket FM1/FM2. I still remember when buying my B450 based motherboard,I couldn't even find an A320 based AM4 mini-ITX motherboard for under £90~£100. Only very recently in the last 6 months have I see AM4 mini-ITX motherboards consistently under £90 now,due to the stock clearance of older B450 motherboards,and the newer A520 based motherboards finally filtering in. However,for a media build,its harder to find any of the 12NM APUs,whereas something like the Core i3 10100 has been below £100 this year AFAIK. CPUs such as the Core i3 10105F are £75(if you have a GPU),and AMD has no real competition with that.
Hence it makes the entire media build cheaper going with Intel,especially as they support 4K secure content delivery better than the 12NM APUs. Even recently I managed to get a damaged box Core i5 10400 and a damaged box Asus B460I mini-ITX motherboard for under £170 in total. I am running it in a 5 litre Velka 5 case with an Alpenföhn Black Ridge CPU cooler.
Hence it makes the entire media build cheaper going with Intel,especially as they support 4K secure content delivery better than the 12NM APUs. Even recently I managed to get a damaged box Core i5 10400 and a damaged box Asus B460I mini-ITX motherboard for under £170 in total. I am running it in a 5 litre Velka 5 case with an Alpenföhn Black Ridge CPU cooler.
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Yeah, the 11th gen i3s and below are still comet lake cpus. The 4300/50 and 5300 should in theory be the affordable IGP options, but from what I've seen, they're closer to £150.
When I checked it out, the 750 is still slower than a GT 1030 or Radeon 550 (64-bit).
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Total cost of my min spec now with a replacement crap tier PSU is at about £270 - £40 G4560, £80 Asrock ITX board, £32 8Gb ram, £53 Radeon 550, £35 ITX case, £40 PSU, spare SSD.
My previous old / spare XFX PSU stopped powering on.
Also I misread the UHD 750 time spy score, didn't realize it was using a custom setting for 1050 graphics points. I get 1150 with my 550 volt modded and pushed to its max, but that's custom vs default setting.
Just realized the 11400 non F also has the newer UHD 750, I didn't notice that as I was only looking at the 11400F.
Anything less than the 11400 is still using 10th gen cores, which is why I didn't get a new Pentium spec. In that case its better to just buy a 10th gen CPU if you can find one for considerably less than an 11400(F).
Theres no 10th gen Pentiums though, so I'll keep an eye on the i3-10100 for if it ever drops to under £90, but that's going to be be unlikely to happen due to the silicon shortage.
My previous old / spare XFX PSU stopped powering on.
Also I misread the UHD 750 time spy score, didn't realize it was using a custom setting for 1050 graphics points. I get 1150 with my 550 volt modded and pushed to its max, but that's custom vs default setting.
Just realized the 11400 non F also has the newer UHD 750, I didn't notice that as I was only looking at the 11400F.
Anything less than the 11400 is still using 10th gen cores, which is why I didn't get a new Pentium spec. In that case its better to just buy a 10th gen CPU if you can find one for considerably less than an 11400(F).
Theres no 10th gen Pentiums though, so I'll keep an eye on the i3-10100 for if it ever drops to under £90, but that's going to be be unlikely to happen due to the silicon shortage.
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The 11400 does have the upgraded GPU, but it has less shaders, I think.
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Oh thats right - https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...11400-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html
Its the UHD 730, 750 starts on the 11500,
Neither are worth it still for the iGPU performance, except for the fact that you cant even buy any GPUs currently.
Just noticed as well that the 10th gen chips also say 'UK and Ireland only due to high demand'.
Don't think there's going to be any chance of reductions this time around.
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This is tempting me a lot, but next gen will be better and that CPU is still only 10th gen cores.
Would really prefer an I3 with the new UHD 750 too or better, thats not happening this gen either.
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From what i've seen, 10th gen is the way forward on intel and 11th gen is not worth the prices at all. The F counterparts seem to be the best price to performance with the 10400f and 10700f being insane values especially on the used market.
What GPU are you planning to pair with that little system, given there is not an iGPU on the 10105F?
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If I did get that I have a Radeon 550 for now, but need that for my Pentium too.
Lack of GPU availability and pricing is putting me off. UHD 750 would be fine for the second box after the Pentium build becomes a lounge PC.
Skipping the I3 for now, waiting for next gen.
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Rocket lake takes more power, more cooling and mobo's are more expensive due to power requirements, 8 core upgrade path on 5 series boards. It's impressive that they've been been able to back port but the cost has been high. I guess they had to try and sell it to recoup on RnD.
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10 core is more beneficial to what I do, plus my 10900k runs all core at 5.4Ghz no problems with 360mm aio and temp never hits 90 under full load