12 and 16GB GPU is NOT "A Gimmick"

[Harlequin]

Has Hardware Unboxed started attacking AMD a lot more since Nvidia emailed them? They seem to constantly mention price, availability and now 16GB ram, yet dont mentio Nv at all .

 

[humbug]

Has Hardware Unboxed started attacking AMD a lot more since Nvidia emailed them? They seem to constantly mention price, availability and now 16GB ram, yet dont mentio Nv at all .

You get the sense they are trying to walk a tight rope of cowing to Nvidia while still trying to be independent, JayZ2Cents looks like he's had enough, like he's lost interest in GPU reviews, he gets sent these Nvidia cards and he's running through the script like someone has a gun to his head.

 

[SuperSic]

I've watched some of the 3060 reviews, Hardware Unboxed, JayZ2Cents, Gamers Nexus.... and they all have a common theme, they all seem to hate GPU's with anything more than 8GB of Vram on them, its like a pet peeve with them, Oh no its got 16GB of Vram on it... its a gimmick, its just marketing, its just a peeing contest YOU DON'T NEED IT.... winge winge winge...

The R9 390 having 8GB VRAM 6 years ago is exactly why the card is still capable today.

Was it overkill in 2015? Yes.

But it has extended the cards useable lifespan considerably!

 

[humbug]

The R9 390 having 8GB VRAM 6 years ago is exactly why the card is still capable today.

Was it overkill in 2015? Yes.

But it has extended the cards useable lifespan considerably!

And that's the opposite of "Planed Obsolescence"

 

[SuperSic]

And that's the opposite of "Planed Obsolescence"

Bingo. I ditched my 3.5GB GTX970 years ago, it couldn't handle 1440p. The R9 390 however, with the exact same 'horsepower' but more than double the VRAM means it's still trucking at 1440p in a surprising number of games.

 

[humbug]

Bingo. I ditched my 3.5GB GTX970 years ago, it couldn't handle 1440p. The R9 390 however, with the exact same 'horsepower' but more than double the VRAM means it's still trucking at 1440p in a surprising number of games.

Another benefit of high VRam capacity is smoothness, the game may not "Need" more than 8GB but the way games are designed is to pre-lead textures so they can be streamed in from the vastly faster VRam rather than your SSD, that will keep your 1% lows more consistent.

In the same way a 4 Core may run the game just fine and get the same frame rates as a 6 or 8 core CPU but it will run "smoother" with more resources to call on. There are plenty of people on Youtube complaining about "Micro Stutter" in BFV even running 8600K's overclocked and yet a 12 thredad Ryzen 3600 with lower per core performance is fine... because the former CPU is under a high load and that will stall executions.

Its always better to have more rather than less.

I don't "need" 16 threads, but i'm glad to have them.

 

[keyser]

I buy a CPU with enough cores and a GPU with enough VRAM, if its not enough I upgrade.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Of course its not a 'gimmick'

How many people have lolled at the 6800/6900 for coming with 12GB

 

[gpuerrilla]

All my recent purchases have come with high VRAM:

7990 > 290x > 1060 6Gb > vega56 > 3090FE

Probably why I have never had a stutter issue or experience game resolution problems. It just seems mad that the 'mid range' which is shelling out well over £300 these days has not been generous with it considering the pattern was doubling it quite often in the past..

 

[JohnG7]

I had a GTX 680 FTW 4GB (yip it couldn't use it all but other option was 2GB) then downgraded to the 2nd biggest waste of time upgrade I ever did > a GTX 780Ti 3GB, then a Titan X (2015) 12GB then a 1080FE 11GB then a Titan Xp (2017) 12GB now 3090FE 24GB.

 

[turbot1984]

Bingo. I ditched my 3.5GB GTX970 years ago, it couldn't handle 1440p. The R9 390 however, with the exact same 'horsepower' but more than double the VRAM means it's still trucking at 1440p in a surprising number of games.

There's a blast from the past! Got rid of two R9 390's years ago... the crossfire experience was at best shocking, stutter, crashes, hot, bad tempered. The cards were crap as well

 

[Nexus18]

Oh look another thread where people are trying to justify their £800+ purchases....




PS. a 390 is not a capable card these days regardless of what vram it has unless playing older games at 1080P 60HZ, in which case, stump up for a new display and gpu or get a far superior £450 console....

Yet again, pure grunt is what dictates if it is time to upgrade to a newer gpu or not.

 

[james.miller]

Bingo. I ditched my 3.5GB GTX970 years ago, it couldn't handle 1440p. The R9 390 however, with the exact same 'horsepower' but more than double the VRAM means it's still trucking at 1440p in a surprising number of games.

The r390 was closer to the 980 at launch. it had more bandwidth than the 970 and even at launch was a chunk faster at 1440p.

 

[humbug]

There's a blast from the past! Got rid of two R9 390's years ago... the crossfire experience was at best shocking, stutter, crashes, hot, bad tempered. The cards were crap as well

Oh look another thread where people are trying to justify their £800+ purchases....




PS. a 390 is not a capable card these days regardless of what vram it has unless gaming at 1080P 60HZ, in which case, stump up for a new display and gpu or get a far superior £450 console....

Yet again, pure grunt is what dictates if it is time to upgrade to a newer gpu or not.

Subjective experience and bar charts.

The tiresome midwit reaction to all GPU debates.... Give it a rest.

 

[Nemesis.ie]

I agree with the OP - in addition given the over-inflated prices of cards today, at least we get something more by having the extra memory on board. Can you imagine these prices with only 8GB?

 

[Nexus18]

Subjective experience and bar charts.

The tiresome midwit reaction to all GPU debates.... Give it a rest.

Feel free to post something showing otherwise then.....

290/x and 390/x are about as equal as you can get in terms of raw performance and shock horror, as shown, more vram does not magically have them gain 10+ fps and if they do gain anything extra, they're still too weak anyway.

PS. I still have a 290 too so know fine well how the card performs, 1920x1080P 60HZ, be a good enough card but not in newer games and certainly not for 3440x1440 144HZ or even 1440P/4k 60HZ on my tv, not to mention, no ray tracing, dlss, HDR support etc.

 

[humbug]

Feel free to post something showing otherwise then.....

290/x and 390/x are about as equal as you can get in terms of raw performance and shock horror, as shown, more vram does not magically have them gain 10+ fps....

PS. I still have a 290 too so know fine well how the card performs, 1920x1080P 60HZ, be a good enough card but not in newer games and certainly not for 3440x1440 144HZ or even 1440P/4k 60HZ on my tv, not to mention, no ray tracing, dlss, HDR support etc.

My 970 ran my favorite game like absolute dog crap vs the 1070 with the same server locked FPS.

My subjective experience vs yours, now what are you going to do to win this argument?

 

[Nexus18]

My 970 ran my favorite game like absolute dog crap vs the 1070 with the same server locked FPS.

My subjective experience vs yours, now what are you going to do to win this argument?

Let me get this right, you're comparing a 970 to a 1070 in a discussion about how more VRAM is not a gimmick?

Must be why my 8GB vega 56 ran games better than my 4GB 290 then....



PS. I'll take various videos with "proof" over someone's "opinion" on an internet forum.

 

[humbug]

Let me get this right, you're comparing a 970 to a 1070 in a discussion about how more VRAM is not a gimmick?

Must be why my 8GB vega 56 ran games better than my 4GB 290 then....



PS. I'll take various videos with "proof" over someone's "opinion" on an internet forum.

The Frame Rates aren't the issue, the rasterization performance is bottlenecked by the server. I made that clear in the post you quoted.

 

[humbug]

Proof? this is at 1440P, Frame Rates and GPU usage in the top left corner..

 

[Johnny Silverhand]

16GB on a powerful GPU is not a gimmick. 12GB on a gimped GPU (3060) is in my opinion a gimmick.