True, 24GB on a weak GPU will also not help.
By the time it saturates 24GB, the bottleneck will shift to its shaders IPC.
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12 and 16GB GPU is NOT "A Gimmick"
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True, 24GB on a weak GPU will also not help.
By the time it saturates 24GB, the bottleneck will shift to its shaders IPC.
Dont modd your games.
Your fine then.
Better normally to buy the fastest m.2 ssd as your computer now become lightning fast in response.
If ram is an issue, drop a setting or two.
Mid Range cards like the 3060 that cost like high end cards ram wont matter as its a 1080p card.
1440p you want a 6700xt/6800 or 3080 or such.
sis kid bought the 6800 and couldn't be happier.
(still cost to much but better than the 3080 anyway)
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@Th0nt you should make a 24GB is not a gimmick thread mate. It has 6GB extra vram and the proper fast GDDR6 X variant. Helps smooth out frames and in 6 years time all that extra vram will come in handy, I mean just look at the R9 390
In the mean time I would have had 3 upgrades at least in that time recycling the same money adding £100-£200 on top each time (still less money overall than a 3090). Even the third card may not have 24GB vram but will have 2-3 times the Rasta and RT performance
Depends what you use it for. I suppose this is a GPU forum and not a gaming only forum (theres one called Gaming > PC Gaming) so assume there are a minority of people on here that do production work or science/data manipulation which will find the memory a welcome option.
Going back to when I got my 290X it had 4Gb of memory, the same people on here would have insisted that was a waste and "2Gb was plenty".. if its worth anything my 290X I used for just over 5 years before I even considered I needed anything more powerful and at the time the RX580 was a sidegrade commanding £350 at the time!
Between 2012-2018 you bought the most VRAM as in the mining circles, your GPU to last a long time needed >4GB as Ethereum has already surpassed that size rendering 4Gb useless on it. This is why you would not have bought the 1060 3Gb version.
Just giving you real world examples of other uses GPU VRAM has and not just gamers complaining over benchmarks!
Depends what you use it for. I suppose this is a GPU forum and not a gaming only forum (theres one called Gaming > PC Gaming) so assume there are a minority of people on here that do production work or science/data manipulation which will find the memory a welcome option.
Going back to when I got my 290X it had 4Gb of memory, the same people on here would have insisted that was a waste and "2Gb was plenty".. if its worth anything my 290X I used for just over 5 years before I even considered I needed anything more powerful and at the time the RX580 was a sidegrade commanding £350 at the time!
Between 2012-2018 you bought the most VRAM as in the mining circles, your GPU to last a long time needed >4GB as Ethereum has already surpassed that size rendering 4Gb useless on it. This is why you would not have bought the 1060 3Gb version.
Just giving you real world examples of other uses GPU VRAM has and not just gamers complaining over benchmarks!
I agree there are, but the issue discussed here would not apply to them as obviously they need it for their work. I am sure if someone said I have a 3090 as I need the vram for x reason no one would say oh but that is still too much bla bla bla.
If you intend to never sell the card and you have others use cases then sure more vram is always better
The vram debate has never been about x amount of vram is too much, not for me anyway. It is about price for performance and having to pay for all the extra vram when there are hardly any use cases when gaming in 99.9% of scenarios.
The reason there is such a long standing debate about it is because we all have different needs and use cases. Like if you do not intend to upgrade for a long time and are happy to reduce graphics settings down but still want to be able use highest quality textures then it would be appealing to you.
My use case for example I have yet to come across a single use case where 10gb is not enough. I knew when buying the 3080 that there may be a handful of games that come out that may require a bit more vram during my ownership of the card which will be for most of the cards life cycle where it is current gen. I was very comfortable with this as I know in those few titles if they ever come out I can reduce texture setting by one notch which would solve the problem with little to no impact on image quality as seen in most titles these days where you need still screen shots to compare the image quality of top two texture settings to even see the difference. 3080 got me g-sync, got me better performance than a 6080 in pretty much all games across the board in 4K now and it was cheaper.
Getting a 6080 for more vram that I may or may not need would have been silly. Getting a 3090 would be totally out the question as it costs well over two times the cost for little performance in return.
So yeah, horses for corses. No right answer that fits all. From my perspective as a 4K gamer, the biggest issue is Rasta and RT performance. For me next year I will be on a next gen card and all this vram stuff won’t matter. 6080 and 3090 owners will likely have deal with lower fps or lowering settings on latest games though. We already are seeing that in titles like FS2020 where a 3090 cannot run it maxed out at 4K, it will only get worse.
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Regarding core count please see below:
https://www.techspot.com/review/2135-amd-ryzen-5600x/
From the review:
"Speaking of gaming performance, you’re no doubt going to hear nonsense such as "the Ryzen 5 5600X is a poor choice for gamers as it only has 6 cores," and they’ll probably try and prove that by pointing to the new consoles which feature eight Zen 2 cores.
Some people also like to confuse how games and cores work. Making statements like games will require 8 cores or something to that effect. Games don’t require a certain number of cores, they never have and they never will. Games require a certain level of CPU performance, it’s really that simple."
the way the pipeline is going, a fast SSD combined with low latency I/O, bus bandwidth and VRAM speed are all more important than raw pool size. DX12's direct storage is based around this whole philosophy, as are UE5's biggest new features
going forward, it'd be better to have a modest pool of GDDR6x with high bandwidth and a large pool of GDDR6 with medium bandwidth.
going forward, it'd be better to have a modest pool of GDDR6x with high bandwidth and a large pool of GDDR6 with medium bandwidth.
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If you intend to never sell the card and you have others use cases then sure more vram is always better
Its not that I want to keep the card forever, but when I shell out lots of cash, I tend to wait for longer till I upgrade. Obviously this broke the normal model as the upper middle range (which is where I would go) like the 290X and Vega in recent past. I have no intention of upgrading every gen release otherwise Jensen would have a boner and I would be changing card nearly every year!
I agree with your proof here that its yet to be the case, and likely a good amount the engineers selected so they did not need to try and give more.
My gaming needs are slightly different to everyone elses but I do do it, I also use it for work/productivity and when not using it - mine with it. For the multitude of reasons given and the fact that you barely could buy a 3080FE for the bots/F5 made it an easier decision.
Where we both align on in general is 4k gaming, FE, and some bants!
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Jensen said it in kitchen - RTX IO, and now re-bar are excellent additional features I hope to squeeze more performance out of my very expensive nvidia GPU! Thank you AMD for keeping them on their toes this gen!
Yeah. As you know I understand why you purchased one and apart from pulling your leg at times I fully agree with your choice so even though I quoted you it was not directed at you specifically. As I say horses for courses, there is no one right choice for all here. I just know what works for me, and that is a 3080 10GB is enough for me edition (on this occasion)Its not that I want to keep the card forever, but when I shell out lots of cash, I tend to wait for longer till I upgrade. Obviously this broke the normal model as the upper middle range (which is where I would go) like the 290X and Vega in recent past. I have no intention of upgrading every gen release otherwise Jensen would have a boner and I would be changing card nearly every year!
I agree with your proof here that its yet to be the case, and likely a good amount the engineers selected so they did not need to try and give more.
My gaming needs are slightly different to everyone elses but I do do it, I also use it for work/productivity and when not using it - mine with it. For the multitude of reasons given and the fact that you barely could buy a 3080FE for the bots/F5 made it an easier decision.
Where we both align on in general is 4k gaming, FE, and some bants!
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Yeah. As you know I understand why you purchased one and apart from pulling your leg at times I fully agree with your choice so even though I quoted you it was not directed at you specifically. As I say horses for courses, there is no one right choice for all here. I just know what works for me, and that is a 3080 10GB is enough for me edition (on this occasion)
Yeah I think this was aimed at people that were either:
1) saying 3090 is a mugs choice, rip off, 10% for double the money
2) after months of failing to obtain a 3080FE, then went ahead and bough a 3090 or basically u-turned and said "oh they can earn their money back swiftly now that mining is here"
3) fighting over 10Gb being enough VRAM before resizable-bar was known, which I think makes a massive twist on this because if this and RTX IO mature into excellent tools to enhance your GPU VRAM, then the 3080 becomes a poorer choice and the 3090/3080Ti become stronger choices than 5 months ago..
Ed - I also forgot, missing out on the 6800XT was a massive moment for me and AMD making a bungle when their own staff were hinting that there would be stock at launch.. THEN when the prices were known, can forget paying £700+ for a card which is inferior to the 3080.
Yeah 10/12GB of VRAM probably would be preferable if playing some newer games at 4K, especially without DLSS.
But, is it worth the extra cost, given the shortage of GDDR6 VRAM?
You can do without it, I haven't seen much evidence of a large performance hit so far, at least on Ampere GPUs. Better off spending the money on high frequency RAM, or 8 (or more) core CPUs, to avoid future bottlenecks.
GPUs can easily be upgraded, and keep their value well, at least for now.
But, is it worth the extra cost, given the shortage of GDDR6 VRAM?
You can do without it, I haven't seen much evidence of a large performance hit so far, at least on Ampere GPUs. Better off spending the money on high frequency RAM, or 8 (or more) core CPUs, to avoid future bottlenecks.
GPUs can easily be upgraded, and keep their value well, at least for now.
The thing is, the 8 core Rocket Lake based 11700F will probably be available for around ~£300, which is slightly cheaper than the current price of the Ryzen 5600X.
And the single core performance is likely to be slightly higher / equal to the 5600X, which scores 643 points in CPU-Z. This is based on Intel's claim of 20% IPC gain vs the 10th gen, due to a new CPU microarchitecture.
And the multi-threaded performance will undoubtedly be higher.
Although, I think AMD might reduce the price of the Ryzen 5600X, when the Rocket Lake series launches next month.
It's true that single threaded performance is still the most important thing, but if a single core's performance isn't high enough, demanding games / software will end up fully utilizing all cores of a CPU. I still think the 5600X will be fine for several more years though.
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Why would those two technologies cause you to require more VRAM? Will you PC start loading Excel workbooks and browser tabs to your GPU?
Those technologies are aimed at improving VRAM efficiency and reducing render latency. They will allow for improved texture compression and enable splitting large textures into more efficient smaller files.
By the time RTX IO is a thing I will likely be rocking a 4070/80 and which will have more than 10gb
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My understanding of it so far is you get access to the entire VRAM memory stack. This will be great for streaming strategies and in the hands of good developers make performance improvements. From what I seen recently some games improved as much as 14% with it enabled (I know it wont improve all games and in some cases drop performance). Games released further down the line have the opportunity to use this, like most GPU things though (DirectX12) if they dont use it then a waste.
I guess if what your saying is there is little benefit to the amount of memory a card has, the proof will be in the pudding. If the amount was not important, then AMD would not be showcasing 16Gb in their cards and weaker cards in the lineup would be just as good then? Why did nvidia drop 12Gb in the 3060 which released with bar out the gate?
Also I also said "excellent tools to enhance your GPU VRAM" I didnt say you required more. I am acutely aware of the 10Gb the 3080 has and this card is more likely to be nearer its capacity in gaming, assuming this may one day clash with the said features (gets overwhelmed as it runs out).
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Some games used over 6Gb at 1440p on my Vega 56. The 3060 is a faster GPU.
6Gb VRAM on a gaming GPU is not enough and that's fact.
6Gb VRAM on a gaming GPU is not enough and that's fact.
SAM doesn't require you to need more Vram, but the more data that is stored in vram, rather than elsewhere, the cpu can access it quicker. If you can get an upgrade of 10 to 12 percent in fps in games that is roughly the same as upgrading from a 3060ti to 3070.
https://youtu.be/Kmp_rW4cl38
No clue what you are on about as any SSD will only help load times not one bit of difference to the FPS and at the end of the day all are slower than System Memory and far slower Video Memory, again last week I looked into this and one of few games that benefits from large amount ram is FarCry5.
No point in 12GB on a card that can barely handle 1440p 60fps minimum in most games, it's pointless so I agree with them. 8GB would have been fine and lowered the cost slightly.
3070 and above should have had more memory though.
3070 and above should have had more memory though.
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I watched Jay2Cents review and saw the benchmarks and loled hard, it's pretty on much par with the rtx2060 and the only difference is more ram.
Even compared it to the 5700XT which i currently have and in some games the 5700XT beats it, and yet people will scalp this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU7BggrF9gg
I come to accept that buying a card this year is pointless, so waiting till next year where hopefull AMD improve on the Raytracing and most cards having either 12gb or 16gb as stock memory
Even compared it to the 5700XT which i currently have and in some games the 5700XT beats it, and yet people will scalp this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU7BggrF9gg
I come to accept that buying a card this year is pointless, so waiting till next year where hopefull AMD improve on the Raytracing and most cards having either 12gb or 16gb as stock memory