14 year old arrested for bringing in homemade clock

Buddy · 19 Sep 2015 at 13:47

Yeap instead let's rely on this forums opinions/conjecture/made up scenarios and random blogs as evidence.

CREATIVE!11 · 19 Sep 2015 at 13:51

Buddy said:
Yeap instead let's rely on this forums opinions/conjecture/made up scenarios and random blogs as evidence.

Why don't we look at pictures for ourselves?

Or do you think relying on the media (which generally always overblow things in order to sell a story look up "If it bleeds it leads") and twitter tards is any better?

Do you really think for one second this story would have gotten the exposure it did if it wasn't a brown Muslim boy?

Let's mull over that one for a minute or two.

Caged · 19 Sep 2015 at 13:52

CREATIVE!11 said:
Maybe i've become cynical but I believing NOTHING now at first glance. Ever. So many times it's turned out be total ******** or something completely different....

Now if this kid did just disassemble a clock and put into a pencil case / brief case looking thing. We have to now ask.

Why would you do that? and why is this little tit getting a bunch of media exposure and the police made out to be absolute pieces of ****.

Also why the humongous amount of praise as if this kid is the next Einstein and all he's done is rip the inside of a clock out and stick it in some pencil case....

He hasn't even made anything. This is why I love the internet, they begin to pull things apart and really look into it. Did he actually do it to hoax a bomb threat? no probably not... but clearly it's just a clock pulled apart stuffed into a pencil case. Hardly the work of a child prodigy.

http://therightscoop.com/weve-been-had-ahmed-didnt-even-make-that-clock/

Basically TLDR, this has been taken too far again. As usual.

Why I just ignore the news and the idiots who instantly eat it up. And twitter? Don't even get me started, it's a just a congregation of vacuous human beings.

The thing is though, when you boil it down to "kid moved alarm clock into a different case and brought it to school", the reaction from the school / police stil looks daft. Punish him for bringing something into school with live exposed mains wiring if you want, explain to the parent that he might want to learn more about what 110v can do before playing around any more. But handcuffed? Come on now.

As has been repeated many times, if they genuinely believed it was a bomb then why leave it in the school all day? If they knew it wasn't a bomb and they were of the opinion that this kid was trying to present it as a bomb to scare people then present the evidence that he did.

CREATIVE!11 · 19 Sep 2015 at 13:55

Caged said:
The thing is though, when you boil it down to "kid moved alarm clock into a different case and brought it to school", the reaction from the school / police stil looks daft. Punish him for bringing something into school with live exposed mains wiring if you want, explain to the parent that he might want to learn more about what 110v can do before playing around any more. But handcuffed? Come on now.

As has been repeated many times, if they genuinely believed it was a bomb then why leave it in the school all day? If they knew it wasn't a bomb and they were of the opinion that this kid was trying to present it as a bomb to scare people then present the evidence that he did.

Again I don't condone what the police did it was overblown.

But like I said earlier in this thread, can you all tell the difference between a suitcase bomb and this kids "clock". For most people that would be no.

Would you be willing to try?

Caged · 19 Sep 2015 at 14:13

If you believed it was a bomb then you don't leave it in the school.

There's a large part of this story missing.

Tunney · 19 Sep 2015 at 14:13

CREATIVE!11 said:
Maybe i've become cynical but I believing NOTHING now at first glance.

Your posting history in the EU migrant thread says otherwise. You've posted plenty of photos that have later been discredited.

CREATIVE!11 · 19 Sep 2015 at 14:15

Caged said:
If you believed it was a bomb then you don't leave it in the school.

There's a large part of this story missing.

Exactly it,

And we'll never know. The media is too busy spinning it into a ****-storm how police suck, islamaphobia blah blahh blahhhhh.... Could it have been left in a locker/on the floor/desk and someone found it, looked at it and freaked out and called the cops?

Kind of like when you leave luggage at an airport the police deal with it? despite the fact it could just be full of smelly skid marked underwear?

Tunney said:
Your posting history in the EU migrant thread says otherwise. You've posted plenty of photos that have later been discredited.

I haven't actually lmfao, you are genuinely seeing things. You mean green shirt guy? also the emphasis on "plenty". Unless you count the memes i've posted, because most of the photos i've posted have been memes.

I NEVER posted that photo lol. And if you call it discredited because of your one FSA story comparison to ghurkas, I suggest you look into the FSA as I said in that thread.

Pls go...

Caged · 19 Sep 2015 at 14:22

Yeah, they deal with it. They don't leave the suspicious case where it was or move it further into administration areas of the airport where it sits unsupervised, while arresting the owner of the case.

How the clock/bomb was treated only makes sense if they knew it wasn't dangerous and the kid had claimed that it was. But there's nothing to support that claim that's been reported so far.

andi · 19 Sep 2015 at 15:50

They didn't believe that was a bomb though, he was arrested for making a hoax bomb.

Caged · 19 Sep 2015 at 16:33

Which would imply he tried to pass it off as a bomb, a point that hasn't been substantiated by any of the information that has so far come out about this subject. Hence why I said there's a piece of this story missing.

muon · 19 Sep 2015 at 16:40

Caged said:
Which would imply he tried to pass it off as a bomb, a point that hasn't been substantiated by any of the information that has so far come out about this subject. Hence why I said there's a piece of this story missing.

Or the police could just be incompetent. The police statement clearly states Ahmed kept insisting it was a clock.

Caged · 19 Sep 2015 at 16:44

So why give the reason for arrest as being making a hoax bomb? Surely the test for whether you've made a hoax bomb or not is a bit stricter than "someone thought it was one", since hoax implies some sort of effort made to pass it off as real.

If someone saying "hey mate that looks a bit like it could be a bomb" is enough to get someone arrested then how come millions of people manage to wear shoes without being arrested?

muon · 19 Sep 2015 at 17:21

Caged said:
So why give the reason for arrest as being making a hoax bomb? Surely the test for whether you've made a hoax bomb or not is a bit stricter than "someone thought it was one", since hoax implies some sort of effort made to pass it off as real.

If someone saying "hey mate that looks a bit like it could be a bomb" is enough to get someone arrested then how come millions of people manage to wear shoes without being arrested?

They are just covering their mistakes.

People have already shown that their interpretation of the law on the matter is actually incorrect.

Unfortunately not all police officers are experts on the law.

They think that if a device causes alarm, then you have perpetuated a hoax. Your intent is almost irrelevant.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm#46.08

Also I doubt any of the officers at the scene actually knew the exact wording of this.

spudbynight · 20 Sep 2015 at 23:38

This is the best thing I have read on this

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/real-story-istandwithahmed/

Thekwango · 21 Sep 2015 at 11:14

spudbynight said:
This is the best thing I have read on this

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/real-story-istandwithahmed/

that's actually quite interesting - I hadn't read before that little innocent ahmed was uncooperative towards the police.

looks more and more like the little turd was trying to be a smart ass and pull some sort of prank after all and it all went wrong.

OhEsEcks · 21 Sep 2015 at 11:19

Thekwango said:
I hadn't read before that little innocent ahmed was uncooperative towards the police.

An law school professor and former criminal defense attorney tells you why you should never agree to be interviewed by the police.

In America, if they can't shoot you, they'll **** you any other way they can. So you don't say **** until you have legal representation. Which Ahmed never had. And he was detained without a parent, guardian or legal representative being present, which is a legal requirement in the state of Texas for minors.

It's not interesting in the slightest. It's Breitbart. A sink hole of right wing American conservatism that makes the Daily Mail read like the Guardian and I'm not surprised in the slightest that spud linked it. I actually knew he would end up linking Breitbart when he linked that other article by that gob****e Walsh who says the problem with America isn't guns, but Godlessness (which should give you some indiciation of the type of ****e he writes).

Thekwango · 21 Sep 2015 at 12:36

OhEsEcks said:
It's not interesting in the slightest. It's Breitbart. A sink hole of right wing American conservatism that makes the Daily Mail read like the Guardian and I'm not surprised in the slightest that spud linked it. I actually knew he would end up linking Breitbart when he linked that other article by that gob****e Walsh who says the problem with America isn't guns, but Godlessness (which should give you some indiciation of the type of ****e he writes).

ah I didn't know this, cheers.

still, my own gut feeling has always been that the kid was just acting the maggot so to speak - not trying to justify how the police handled the whole thing but the kid certainly ain't the innocent genius that the media is now making him out to be imo

CREATIVE!11 · 21 Sep 2015 at 12:44

Thekwango said:
ah I didn't know this, cheers.

still, my own gut feeling has always been that the kid was just acting the maggot so to speak - not trying to justify how the police handled the whole thing but the kid certainly ain't the innocent genius that the media is now making him out to be imo

Of course not, that's what i've been saying. I don't think police handled it correctly but this kind isn't some saint/child prodigy.

Thekwango · 21 Sep 2015 at 12:53

CREATIVE!11 said:
Of course not, that's what i've been saying. I don't think police handled it correctly but this kind isn't some saint/child prodigy.

he's just a typical14 year old lad who thought he'd make himself look cool in front of his mates and it went pear shaped - although as a result of the media fart storm he's come out of it pretty well off!

dirtychinchilla · 21 Sep 2015 at 13:47

There was this kid at school that I used to hate who printed out a copy of this fan book, I think it was called "Judge Dredd: Fire and Brimstone" and claimed it was his own. Showed our English teacher etc. Someone in our class researched it, found out that he'd nicked it...and we were all completely miffed. Why the hell would you pretend that you'd written someone else's book?!

Safe to say, he got much abuse for that.