14 year old arrested for bringing in homemade clock

[asim18]

No that not been allowed to contact his parents was wrong.

However i do not see an issue with him been detained and questioned by the police until the facts had been verified.

I know what people are saying about homemade electronics etc. but if he had turned up at the Whitehouse with that unannounced, would you not think the whitehouse security services would have detained him and questioned him over it as well? Or they would have looked at it and gone "yep thats a clock, i can tell as my dad used to make them for a living, go straight through the president is in there"

What's up with you continuously creating completely unrelated scenarios to make the boy look like a terrorist? You've done it at least 5 times.

This dude took this thing to his school not the white house.

"go straight through the president is in there"

So how does that compare to the school then?

 

[muon]

However, making a hoax bomb and using it to threaten/scare people is an offence that warrants police arrest and questioning.

In this case, its clear now that the kid didnt do that. But that's after the investigation.

And if what the police says is true, then he didnt help himself by avoiding questions and not been cooperative. What was wrong with just saying its an electronic project for school where I have made a clock?

He did say it was a clock. Read the police statement again

They stated that Ahmed kept saying it was a clock. As if that was an unnacceptable answer to them.

Also its naive of you to think a 14 year old in this situation will know exactly how to act. Especially when he has heard racist remarks and I'd find it hard to believe the demeanour of police would have been encouraging.

It is for this reason a parent or legal representation is legally required.

The following is conjecture, but I suspect the police thought they had bagged themself a terrorist and could see medals in their eyes. Everything else since has been to cover their mistakes up.

 

[Thekwango]

I wouldn't need to presume if you actually bothered to comment on the real issue of his treatment by the school and police rather than wasting time inventing hypothetical situations where it actually is a bomb, or it's a prank, or whatever. By the time they got round to questioning him there was nothing to suggest the item was explosive, dangerous or that he had any intention to threaten or cause fear with it, and yet they still attempted to coerce a confession from him, then arrested, handcuffed and detained him without the parents present.

The air is fine up here actually, try pulling your head out your ass and you'll see for yourself.

pull my head out my ass? how or in what way have I gave the impression that my head is up my own ass?!

all I did was simply surmised a situation that explained why the school acted the way they did - as at the time I for the life of me couldn't come up with any other reason for their or the polices behaviour - but you felt the need to jump on that. which is fine, feel free to get your jollies that way if you wish.

by looking at possible ways to try and explain the situation, I thought it would have been quite obvious that my head was well clear of my ass and I was trying to observe the situation (from afar) with an open mind. you and many others on the other hand had the blinkers on and could see no wrong in the situation on the young lads part - or rather that there was no other explanation other than oh my god racial over reaction much. so I would suggest that it is you sir that needs to perhaps extract your ass out your head

you want my personal view on the situation?

the school acted shockingly imo, from the moment the kids teacher told him not to let anyone else see it (he obviously recognised the problems it could cause) while not taking it from him for the rest of the school day they had failed the lad and failed him badly* right up to the police arresting him and questioning him in the way they did was completely totally and utterly wrong.

had the it/engineering teacher shown a little bit of gumption or maybe a spine and held on to the clock until the end of the day it's likely the problem would have never surfaced.

I also put a degree (small though it may be) blame on the kids parents - assuming (is it ok with you if do a little assumption here?) that they saw and knew about his home made clock - surely they recognised the possible problems that it may cause. I certainly know if my child came and showed me that I would have gently pointed out, while telling them how cool it was, that maybe an alternative casing for it might be more appropriate, but maybe that's just me and maybe I do have my head up my ass



*I have my own opinions why the teacher didn't take it from the kid, but I shall refrain from speculating any further - I will defer to those who know (or think they do) better

 

[Greebo]

What's up with you continuously creating completely unrelated scenarios to make the boy look like a terrorist? You've done it at least 5 times.

This dude took this thing to his school not the white house.

"go straight through the president is in there"

So how does that compare to the school then?

Its simple. How many times am I to say it?

Build a clock at home that looks like a bomb to a layman is fine.

Take it to a public place eg school and perhaps things might not go too well especially when it started beeping when hidden in yoru bag and when questioned about it say "its nothing"

Obhama has stated he should bring his clock there and condemn the fuss over a clock. Hence my comment about I doubt he would be treated any different if they didnt know he was bringing it.

Im making up scenarios to show why is a school special and all of a sudden it doesnt matter that hes brought something a bomb.

Im not trying to say hes a terrorist at all. I just think he's an idiot and thought he was clever and made a miscalculation.

As for the racist comment, there's only him to say thats what they said (although knowing that ive read of the american police it wouldnt suprise me if it was true)

To my mind it was a ill thought out thing and went a bit wrong.

Since then his father and other muslim groups are trying to make this whoile thing out that its all about race and just glossing over the issue that it LOOKS LIKE A BOMB to most lay people.

 

[Buddy]

Its simple.
Im making up scenarios

A summary of all your posts.

 

[dowie]

this kid was basically a little troll

he knew what he was doing - all he did was take an existing digital clock out of its case and stick it in a suitcase.... like that isn't going to look dodgy - then when the teacher asks him about it in class he acts all shifty

the little turd knew exactly what he was doing, sure the police overreacted and whacked him in cuffs etc.. (tis 'murica/Texas after all) - now he gets to visit Obama and everyone else from a major company who wants to milk some good PR out of this by showing how friendly they are to this creative minority kid who was so harshly and unfairly treated by the police after being such a clever boy and taking a clock out of its case and sticking it in a briefcase for some inexplicable reason.

 

[Greebo]

A summary of all your posts.

Whatever you think. So please tell me, where is okay to take something that looks like a bomb then please? Obviously school or we wouldnt be having this conversation

 

[Chojin]

this kid was basically a little troll

he knew what he was doing - all he did was take an existing digital clock out of its case and stick it in a suitcase.... like that isn't going to look dodgy - then when the teacher asks him about it in class he acts all shifty

the little turd knew exactly what he was doing, sure the police overreacted and whacked him in cuffs etc.. (tis 'murica/Texas after all) - now he gets to visit Obama and everyone else from a major company who wants to milk some good PR out of this by showing how friendly they are to this creative minority kid who was so harshly and unfairly treated by the police after being such a clever boy and taking a clock out of its case and sticking it in a briefcase for some inexplicable reason.

Relieved I'm not the only person who sees it like this.

I cringed when I read Zuckerberg's facebook post. He's hardly a wonder child for making a clock in a briefcase

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Not sure if this point has been touched upon but, when the teachers assumed it was a bomb did they evacuate the school? Assuming the school wasn't evacuated surely that means the school themselves never believed it was a bomb.

 

[dowie]

probably not not

but making a hoax bomb is a crime

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

probably not not

but making a hoax bomb is a crime

From what I've read he never once said or implied it was a bomb, so surely how cannot he be accused of making a hoax bomb.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

this kid was basically a little troll

he knew what he was doing - all he did was take an existing digital clock out of its case and stick it in a suitcase.... like that isn't going to look dodgy - then when the teacher asks him about it in class he acts all shifty

the little turd knew exactly what he was doing, sure the police overreacted and whacked him in cuffs etc.. (tis 'murica/Texas after all) - now he gets to visit Obama and everyone else from a major company who wants to milk some good PR out of this by showing how friendly they are to this creative minority kid who was so harshly and unfairly treated by the police after being such a clever boy and taking a clock out of its case and sticking it in a briefcase for some inexplicable reason.

Lmao...

Amen... #westandwithahmed

Stfu twitter.

 

[Thekwango]

this kid was basically a little troll

he knew what he was doing - all he did was take an existing digital clock out of its case and stick it in a suitcase.... like that isn't going to look dodgy - then when the teacher asks him about it in class he acts all shifty

the little turd knew exactly what he was doing, sure the police overreacted and whacked him in cuffs etc.. (tis 'murica/Texas after all) - now he gets to visit Obama and everyone else from a major company who wants to milk some good PR out of this by showing how friendly they are to this creative minority kid who was so harshly and unfairly treated by the police after being such a clever boy and taking a clock out of its case and sticking it in a briefcase for some inexplicable reason.

Be careful, that was one of the scenarios I alluded to earlier but some folks on here got upset.

 

[dowie]

From what I've read he never once said or implied it was a bomb, so surely how cannot he be accused of making a hoax bomb.

he hasn't actually been accused of making a hoax bomb afaik, just investigate over the possibility

taking apart a clock and sticking it in a suitcase for no apparent reason then acting all shifty when questioned about it by the teacher.... tis not unreasonable that they might want to investigate further and given the potential implications calling the police would be fairly standard too.... granted sticking him in cuffs etc.. was a bit OTT but there really doesn't seem to be a good explanation for taking apart a clock, putting it in a suitcase and then acting all shifty when questioned about it

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Be careful, that was one of the scenarios I alluded to earlier but some folks on here got upset.

People are not capable of thinking outside this box. This is why being a top level investigator takes a certain type of person.

This forum explains to me why. Nobody has really given it any thought. Those pictures of the pulled apart clock have me now thinking hmmm so he hasn't really made ****...

And why on earth would you stick a "home made clock" in a briefcase?

Seriously. I've made a clock in DT when I was in school. It looked NOTHING like that clock.

When twitter retards rally behind things though we can pretty much guarantee it gets taken to a idiotic level.

 

[Greebo]

he hasn't actually been accused of making a hoax bomb afaik, just investigate over the possibility

taking apart a clock and sticking it in a suitcase for no apparent reason then acting all shifty when questioned about it by the teacher.... tis not unreasonable that they might want to investigate further and given the potential implications calling the police would be fairly standard too.... granted sticking him in cuffs etc.. was a bit OTT but there really doesn't seem to be a good explanation for taking apart a clock, putting it in a suitcase and then acting all shifty when questioned about it

Well that was what he was arrested for for making a hoax bomb. But I believe there has to be intent and/or using it to threaten scare people which they have decided this was not the case.

 

[Thekwango]

Those pictures of the pulled apart clock have me now thinking hmmm so he hasn't really made ****...

hold up, so he didn't actually make a clock? He just took the innards from another actual clock and remounted them? Is that confirmed or are we just going of the pictures posted?

If confirmed then my speculative theory about it being a prank is as good as confirmed. So while his police treatment was definitely OTT and unnecessary, the school actually handled it correctly.

If not confirmed, well the doubt of his full innocence is still there.

 

[dowie]

hold up, so he didn't actually make a clock? He just took the innards from another actual clock and remounted them? Is that confirmed or are we just going of the pictures posted?

If confirmed then my speculative theory about it being a prank is as good as confirmed. So while his police treatment was definitely OTT and unnecessary, the school actually handled it correctly.

If not confirmed, well the doubt of his full innocence is still there.

the pictures are all the confirmation you need - little Ahmed Mohamed didn't make a printed circuit board at home...

 

[dowie]

 

[Rroff]

the pictures are all the confirmation you need - little Ahmed Mohamed didn't make a printed circuit board at home...

When I first read about it I was expecting to see something like a circuit based around a 555 and/or 4xxx ICs, etc. or similar on some prototype or breadboard, etc. seeing what it actually was I did fleetingly think it was probably a troll.

EDIT: The more I see about it the more I think someone put him upto it.