But you've selected a game that is shooting fictional beasts. If you compare it more fairly to an FPS game like COD shooting people, of course people really do get influenced by that.
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But you've selected a game that is shooting fictional beasts. If you compare it more fairly to an FPS game like COD shooting people, of course people really do get influenced by that.
There's a lot worse in Japan, and they don't have any widespread issues with rape or abuse. I'm not for censoring what is clearly a fantasy, as sick as it may be. Perhaps a better question is why this sort of degeneracy is becoming more rampant? What will banning the game do that will curtail any of that? There's a bigger issue with society here.
Majority of people dont have access to a weapon to do such a thing.
Where as every male can undertake the manipulation and assault this game glorifies.
Which logic?
Didnt know GTA promoted and taught males how to rape women...
A) Which plenty of people have campaigned for (and has happened in some countries).
B) This rape game hasn't actually been banned.
That it "promotes" and "teaches" wanton violence like driving over pedestrians. Let's blame terrorist acts on GTA. Or hitting random people with a club, or robbing fast food joints and shooting them up, or flying planes into... Are you saying you are not offended at INNOCENT passers by being VISCIOUSLY killed? (tabloids' caps use )
It's the old Negative Freedom debate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Concepts_of_Liberty
I'm with Isiah Berlin on this, negative freedom is better than the positive one. All the people who are offended at video games/books/movies should be honest to the end.
I'm with Isiah Berlin on this, negative freedom is better than the positive one. All the people who are offended at video games/books/movies should be honest to the end.
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I think this is where you may have gotten things wrong.
Am I offended by this game? No not at all, does not offend me what so ever.
Do I think this game should be available to the public? Absolutely not, for a number of reasons which include having a young generation with access to all information, right or wrong, good or bad and we leave it up to that youngster to decide their path. Rising sexual violence within the country anyway.
What does this game actually achieve? Maybe it has a positive in some users will use it to abuse characters for fun or their own sick desires without the need to go and hurt actual humans. For others it might open a new door for them on how to abuse woman, others might not even have that desire but get sucked into the rabbit hole.
Japan has well-documented problems with under-reporting of sexual offences and different cultural attitudes to reporting. The UK and Japan have fundamentally different social structures, legal systems, media regulations and cultural norms that make direct comparisons difficult.
Even if the original premise were true (which is questionable), correlation doesn't equal causation. Many factors influence crime rates beyond media content. Cultural differences about shame, honour and social conformity in Japan create very different contexts for both media consumption and crime reporting that don't translate well to Western contexts.
Arguments about 'censorship' often sidestep discussions of ethical responsibility and community standards, which vary from society to society.
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It's a porn game, made for some segment of that market. It should be available through the same channels and subject to the same checks. Unlkie child porn, nobody was harmed in making it. I've no idea if or how Steam sells such content, if it does not, then it indeed may need to be banned on Steam. Not banned outright.
What does GTA achieve? What does Clockwork Orange achieve, or Marquis de Sade's literature? Rabbit hole argument is is exactly why positive freedom is dangerous. Before you know it, we'll be left with Mao's Red book or the Bible/Quran/Scientology_weekly
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Part of the issue with this is the fault of parents for not monitoring what their kids are accessing (the same applies to the outrage over kids playing Call of Duty or GTA), they are 18 rated games, the young generation shouldnt be playing them. Its indicative of how so many parents view computer games that a portion of parents wont allow their 12 year old kids to watch an 18 movie but dont blink twice at buying an 18 rated game for their kids because in their minds video games are for kids. Then again I've often complained, and will continue to complain, about the standard of some parenting, especially today where an increasing number of parents are more focused on being their kids friends than being their parents...but thats a whole other conversation.
Steam is absolutely littered with porn games, unless you have filters set up to stop anything adult rated all you need to do is check the new releases feed regularly and you'll see them all the time.
While I find this game distasteful I do not find any logic in banning it, claiming an adult rated game is somehow teaching kids to rape is as ridiculous as claiming GTA teaches kids to steal cars and run over pedestrians. The funny thing is, this isn't the only "porn game" of its type, far from it, it's just one that's garnered some media attention. I doubt there's anything particularly nasty on Steam, but there absolutely is available via other outlets and there's plenty of pornographic material involving some very nasty fetishes. I have an ex that was very much into some more extreme BDSM stuff, something I wasn't made aware of until a few months into the relationship, partly being why she's now my ex as I was pretty sickened by her interests when she introduced me to them. Terms such as "consent non consent" and "knife play" are frankly things that I wish I'd never been introduced to, call me a prude all you want but good lord that was a hard no from me.
www.ox.ac.uk
This is something that gets revisited at least once a decade in some form or another since long before any of us were born.
While I find this game distasteful I do not find any logic in banning it, claiming an adult rated game is somehow teaching kids to rape is as ridiculous as claiming GTA teaches kids to steal cars and run over pedestrians. The funny thing is, this isn't the only "porn game" of its type, far from it, it's just one that's garnered some media attention. I doubt there's anything particularly nasty on Steam, but there absolutely is available via other outlets and there's plenty of pornographic material involving some very nasty fetishes. I have an ex that was very much into some more extreme BDSM stuff, something I wasn't made aware of until a few months into the relationship, partly being why she's now my ex as I was pretty sickened by her interests when she introduced me to them. Terms such as "consent non consent" and "knife play" are frankly things that I wish I'd never been introduced to, call me a prude all you want but good lord that was a hard no from me.
Violent video games found not to be associated with adolescent aggression | University of Oxford
Researchers at the Oxford Internet Institute, University of Oxford, have found no relationship between aggressive behaviour in teenagers and the amount of time spent playing violent video games.
This is something that gets revisited at least once a decade in some form or another since long before any of us were born.
No, its a game that the goal is to abuse and rape women.
Is that porn? As to me thats a criminal offense.
Maybe you all should take a deeper look at your own views as to whats right and whats wrong if you think rape is justified.
So this is more about your protection of freedom of speech, rather than looking at the damage such freedom's uncontested could cause?
Completely agree a lot is down to the parents.
But this has been a problem since I was a child, parents buying games for children under age limit, it wont stop and kids will always have access to content they should'nt. The average 10 year old knows more about Porn and Pornhub than your typical 60 year old will.
"No Mercy was a 3D game that allowed players to assume the role of a male character engaging in graphic, pornographic depictions of rape and incest.
The game promoted deeply misogynistic themes, encouraging men to “own” and “subdue” women. In the game’s storyline, rape and humiliation were presented as justified punishments for women who were “disobedient,” and disturbingly, it framed women as secretly desiring this abuse."
But you all keep ignoring this bit.
I'm not ignoring it, I addressed it but you chose to ignore what I said.
There are women into that sort of thing, you can choose to believe that or not. I have an ex that was, I know of other women that are who frequently play games as well as write stories with those themes with other men and women (a form of role playing) online. It's not a male specific fantasy, and while I don't subscribe to it adults can do whatever they want while consenting in private.
I will tell people I find that sort of thing nasty, but it's fiction, I don't want it to be banned anymore than I want horror games banned for gore or GTA banned for the the fact you can rob and kill people.
It isn't real.
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Do they though? What percentage of gun shooters in the US played these type of games? I suppose we'll never know as they're normally killed. I suppose you have to be a sociopath to do that and tbh playing this game would make me feel like a bit of a sociopath going by the description.
I just know I do FPS for tactical fun and don't actually believe I'm killing someone in Wolfenstein or Sniper Elite.
Also isn't COD mainly military type stuff too?
Whilst I do agree with what you’re saying, this isn’t a porn game. This is a rape and incest game. It’s like you can watch “normal” legal porn and it is easy to find. But rape and incest porn is more difficult to find because it’s illegal.Steam is absolutely littered with porn games, unless you have filters set up to stop anything adult rated all you need to do is check the new releases feed regularly and you'll see them all the time.
While I find this game distasteful I do not find any logic in banning it, claiming an adult rated game is somehow teaching kids to rape is as ridiculous as claiming GTA teaches kids to steal cars and run over pedestrians. The funny thing is, this isn't the only "porn game" of its type, far from it, it's just one that's garnered some media attention. I doubt there's anything particularly nasty on Steam, but there absolutely is available via other outlets and there's plenty of pornographic material involving some very nasty fetishes. I have an ex that was very much into some more extreme BDSM stuff, something I wasn't made aware of until a few months into the relationship, partly being why she's now my ex as I was pretty sickened by her interests when she introduced me to them. Terms such as "consent non consent" and "knife play" are frankly things that I wish I'd never been introduced to, call me a prude all you want but good lord that was a hard no from me.
Violent video games found not to be associated with adolescent aggression | University of Oxford
Researchers at the Oxford Internet Institute, University of Oxford, have found no relationship between aggressive behaviour in teenagers and the amount of time spent playing violent video games.
This is something that gets revisited at least once a decade in some form or another since long before any of us were born.
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Is this hurf's alt account?
Yes women can have kinks, no one has contested that, some women would like being degraded x y z with a trusting and sensible partner.
Rape kink is again a kink in itself with a partner, something this game does not touch on, instead you have tactics of manipulation and exploitation of women to put them in a vulnerable position for your own wants.
Again this is a game that is teaching people how to manipulate and assault women, not a 50 shades of grey book.
Just because something is fiction, does not mean it should be available to everyone and anyone, which this game was.
50 Shades is shockingly mild compared to some of the "romance" novels out there written by women for women, that involve exactly the same sort of things as this game.
I don't like over the top sexual stuff, I choose not to engage in it. You ban something like this in some sort of modern day satanic panic moment you only make it easier to "ban" the next item of moral outrage. The funny thing is, the only thing that has come of this is that it now has more public awareness, there will be more people looking it up and even playing it than there ever would have been otherwise. I think you're grossly over estimating the effects that this might have on people, certainly younger people, you'd need to have deep rooted mental issues to be swayed by a game into doing anything immoral let alone commit sexual abuse, and at that point it's not a matter of what sets the person off, but a matter of when the ticking time bomb in their brain hits zero.
We've had countless studies that show that violence in games don't result in violence in real life in 99.9% of individuals, why on earth do you think that this game is going to result in hordes of "misogynistic men" rising up out of their caves to go on a proverbial rampage?
Any "porn" game on Steam is listed as adult only, if underage people are buying them (including this) then the parents are at fault.
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