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1800X or 7700K ?

Dicehunter

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I game at 1440P, Things like Ghost Recon Widlands, WoW etc..... and do some Premier Pro work, I'm stuck between the 2 CPU's.

I'm leaning towards Ryzen as it's new but not too sure.

Need peoples input :)
 
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I have a 1800X and its a beast, I would not consider getting a £300+ quad core. If you prefer Intel, then I would look for a 5820K or 6800K. If you overclock then the R7 1700 looks to be the best value. The only games I have tried so far are BF1 and The Division and they run very smooth and my 1800X get about 1550 on Cinebench @stock with 2133 CL15 T2 RAM and 1647 with 3200 CL14 T1 RAM.
 
I had a 1800x pre ordered and canceled after the first benchmarks in gaming came out
I doubted I would ever use the 1800x to its full potential anyway so ended up saving a few quid
 
I'd say the R7 1700 over either. Overclock it to 3.9-4GHz and you essentially have an 1800X for a lot less money. Recent gaming results for Ryzen when paired with faster memory have been darn impressive, especially in terms of 1% and 0.1% lows, where it seems to smoke the 7700K in most games. Pairing it with 3200MHz+ RAM seems absolutely crucial to its gaming performance though, and that still requires a lot of work to get running on most boards.
 
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I'd say the R7 1700 over either. Overclock it to 3.9-4GHz and you essentially have an 1800X for a lot less money. Recent gaming results for Ryzen when paired with faster memory have been darn impressive, especially in terms of 1% and 0.1% lows, where it seems to smoke the 7700K in most games. Pairing it with 3200MHz+ RAM seems absolutely crucial to its gaming performance though, and that still requires a lot of work to get running on most boards.
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I ran my 1800X with 4*8GB Crucial 2133 @1866 CL13 on a MSI B350 TOMAHAWK at first and the only difference I have noticed from what I have now (C6H+2*8GB 3200 CL14) is benchmark scores, games I have tested ran as smooth as they do now. I have seen the reviews and benchmarks but I tend to ignore most of it as I just don’t notice most of the things they hype up like it’s the end of the world. I got fast ram just because I wanted it and was lucky as all I needed to do was set the RAM profile in the BIOS and it worked.
 
FredFlint said:
I ran my 1800X with 4*8GB Crucial 2133 @1866 CL13 on a MSI B350 TOMAHAWK at first and the only difference I have noticed from what I have now (C6H+2*8GB 3200 CL14) is benchmark scores, games I have tested ran as smooth as they do now. I have seen the reviews and benchmarks but I tend to ignore most of it as I just don’t notice most of the things they hype up like it’s the end of the world. I got fast ram just because I wanted it and was lucky as all I needed to do was set the RAM profile in the BIOS and it worked.
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Well, according to your signature you have it paired with an RX 480, so you're going to be limited by that in most gaming scenarios. As such, it's understandable that you wouldn't notice much difference. With more powerful cards there's a meaningful uptick in performance with faster RAM though.

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It's not hard to see why many reviews of gaming performance were so poor when they were paired with 2133MHz RAM. Apparently your RAM speed directly affects the speed at which the interconnect between the two CCXs runs at, so I'd imagine that's why it sees such gains. Obviously if you're only gaming at 60Hz and using vsync, you're not going to see any change no matter what, since even the baseline runs above that at all times. It's more relevant to those with 144Hz panels.
 
Yes, running a 480 till Vega in my AMD box and I use 60Hz with V-Sync so as long as min fps are not too low its not a problem. I game mostly on my Intel box as it has a FuryX, when Vega drops I will use the AMD box for games though.
 
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Yes, running a 480 till Vega in my AMD box and I use 60Hz with V-Sync so as long as min fps are not too low its not a problem. I game mostly on my Intel box as it has a FuryX, when Vega drops I will use the AMD box for games though.
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Swap the cards about and do a few benchmarks. I think this will solve a lot of problems for the average joe
 
Dicehunter said:
I game at 1440P, Things like Ghost Recon Widlands, WoW etc..... and do some Premier Pro work, I'm stuck between the 2 CPU's.

I'm leaning towards Ryzen as it's new but not too sure.

Need peoples input :)
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Another vote for the [email protected]/4, X370 motherboard (Asrock Taichi, Gaming K7, Gaming K5, Hero in that order of personal preference) and get good memory like 3600C16 or faster.
Or even those FlareX 3466 C16 which are Ryzen certified.

it will serve you far better than the 7700K, and especially gaming at 2560x1440 there is no difference between the CPUs, while it will cost you much less, allows you more flexibility*, and the motherboard will take the next 3 Zen generations of CPUs.

The intel Z270 and X99 are dead ends.


*Flexibility : you can play the most demanding game at 2560x1440 and have on second monitor running youtube or Amazon Prime at 4K, without suffering from reduce perf. I write that because, moved away from quad cores and can do more than one thing at the same time now.
 
Personally, for gaming I'd stick with intel for the time being. Too many issues with ryzen and they just don't overclock.

Unless you plan on keeping it for the next 6 years, in which case the extra cores of ryzen may start to be worth it.
 
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Depends what games you play and how long you'd want the system to last. If you're gonna swap it out in less than two years there's less incentive to go Ryzen.
 
Both are great chips even though Ryzen is the better value.

I'm on 6700k and I'll wait for coffeelake or even Cannonlake to upgrade. So tbh I would get a Ryzen 1700X it should serve you well until Intel release new chipset.
 
I think AMD Ryen 1700X right now is the best value for money you can get. Since it got more cores, it can be used also for editing and deliver well, if you are into it.
 
I would say Ryzen 1700, just not yet, its still not finished and there are threads full of people still having issues. Just look at how variable the gaming benchmarks are. I think in a few months it will be worth having. (Worth noting Panos who is pushing Ryzen on this thread sent his back and bought a 6800k - thats how bad it has been).
 
I am seriously laughing hard at the people who think you can only do one thing at a time on a top intel quadcore. Must mean you can only do two things at once on an octacore!

If it's just for gaming it's a no brainer, the 7700k. Ryzen is in a mess. I suspect it will become a very good system once the dust settles but that's not looking likely to happen soon and who knows what will be out then.
 
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If your happy spending the cash now and then again a similar amount in a year or 2 max, then buy the 7700k, its got the edge in games currently and not bad at the other stuff.

If your not planning on a new mobo / cpu combo after this upgrade, for a few more years, go down the Zen route, the board is going to be supporting Zen CPU's for the next few generations, which means its a case of swapping CPU when the time comes, as opposed to the normal Intel route of swapping mobo + cpu.

Ryzen might still be early days but its far from a "Mess" as particular people in this thread have commented, you only need to check peoples post histories to see biases and dislikes for particular vendors, yep im an AMD fan, self admitted, i currently run an Intel / Nvidia rig but will be going to Zen probably at the next revision, if my will breaks before then i will be going Taichi and an 1800X.

I think you just need to ask yourself "Am i happy with swapping mobo / cpu again potentially in 2yrs" followed by "Am i happy swapping just CPU in a few years and putting the saved cash towards other upgrades?"
 
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