1800X or 7700K ?

SilverShark · 30 Mar 2017 at 11:04

DragonQ said:
Why 1700X over 1700 unless you're running at stock clocks?

As far as I´m aware the 1700x may be worse temperature wise but ain´t need much +v to OC while the 1700 stay cooler but need more v... or do I miss something?

Well I bought the 1700 so hopefully it arrives soon and I can see what´s real

IceWind · 30 Mar 2017 at 11:05

im gonna say if you are a pure gamer and dont plan on doing anything else with your rig then get the 7700k

If you plan on doing video editing, streaming etc then get a Ryzen.

prjwebb · 30 Mar 2017 at 11:16

Have there been any tests on the difference ram speeds make at more realistic resolutions? I'm not sure anyone is buying a beefy GPU and a 8c16t processor for 1080p gaming.

I understand how the 1080p benching is the more effective way to test the CPUs performance, but I'm curious on how these variables look in more realistic use scenarios.

Johnz0r · 30 Mar 2017 at 12:11

prjwebb said:
Have there been any tests on the difference ram speeds make at more realistic resolutions? I'm not sure anyone is buying a beefy GPU and a 8c16t processor for 1080p gaming.

I understand how the 1080p benching is the more effective way to test the CPUs performance, but I'm curious on how these variables look in more realistic use scenarios.

But for people like myself with 144hz monitors it is. What has been quite interesting was the mass effect benchmarks being really good for Ryzen. Is this a sign of things to come or just a one off?

prjwebb · 30 Mar 2017 at 12:13

1440p 144hz is a thing too.

DragonQ · 30 Mar 2017 at 12:33

SilverShark said:
As far as I´m aware the 1700x may be worse temperature wise but ain´t need much +v to OC while the 1700 stay cooler but need more v... or do I miss something?

Well I bought the 1700 so hopefully it arrives soon and I can see what´s real

Temperature isn't an issue (1700X and 1800X just report 20C higher and applications don't take this into account). You're right that on average clocks at a particular voltage will be a tad higher on a 1700X but not enough to justify the extra cost, IMO anyway. If it was like a guaranteed 200-300 MHz more then sure but you're basically talking about a slightly higher chance to hit 4.0 GHz instead of 3.9 GHz or a slightly better average voltage requirement for 3.9 GHz.

SiDeards73 · 30 Mar 2017 at 12:35

prjwebb said:
1440p 144hz is a thing too.

Actually theres a re-review of AOTS on the Zen as theres been a patch to improve its performance, i think at 1440p the improvement is 31% or so? its actually the highest improvement overall when compared to 1080p and 4k, which i found kinda funny.

SilverShark · 30 Mar 2017 at 12:36

DragonQ said:
Temperature isn't an issue (1700X and 1800X just report 20C higher and applications don't take this into account). You're right that on average clocks at a particular voltage will be a tad higher on a 1700X but not enough to justify the extra cost, IMO anyway. If it was like a guaranteed 200-300 MHz more then sure but you're basically talking about a slightly higher chance to hit 4.0 GHz instead of 3.9 GHz or a slightly better average voltage requirement for 3.9 GHz.

Ah ok thanks

Johnz0r · 30 Mar 2017 at 12:38

How easy it to get a ryzen cpu running with the higher ram speeds? Does it take a lot of tinkering or are the newer bios revisions making this easier?

Dicehunter · 30 Mar 2017 at 12:39

Well I game on a 165Hz G-Sync monitor and I am leaning towards the 1800X as I do a few hours a week of rendering etc....

Panos · 30 Mar 2017 at 12:49

prjwebb said:
1440p 144hz is a thing too.

Above 1080p makes no sense to buy a 7700K and try to overclock it to 5ghz with 3600mhz ram, than buying a 1700 overclock it to 3.9/4ghz and use the same 3600 ram. At1440p and 4K both perform the same exactly even on 1080ti Sli.

And is funny all this hypocrisy in this thread against the AMD. Suddenly the Haswell-E and Broadwel-E cpus do not exist................. Which cost 3-4 times more than the Ryzen 1700 or the 7700k.........

shamus21 · 30 Mar 2017 at 12:54

If money is not the issue stick with intel.

prjwebb · 30 Mar 2017 at 12:58

I'm curious if the performances gains between, for example, 2666 and 3200 RAM is anywhere near as much of a factor at 1440p as it is at 1080p. Mostly because I don't want to have to buy more RAM if/when i switch to Ryzen...

Aretak · 30 Mar 2017 at 13:05

shamus21 said:
If money is not the issue stick with intel.

That makes no sense. A 7700K setup and an R7 1700 setup are about the same outlay. Buying X99 would be dumb when it's a dead platform and the Ryzen chips actually compare more favourably to those than the 7700K for gaming. The only good option for spending a lot more with Intel is waiting months for Skylake-E.

old gamer · 30 Mar 2017 at 13:22

i think there is something more interesting about ryzen over intel, dont really know why but there you go

DragonQ · 30 Mar 2017 at 13:29

old gamer said:
i think there is something more interesting about ryzen over intel, dont really know why but there you go

Maybe it's the minimum frames.

Ynot · 30 Mar 2017 at 13:36

IceWind said:
If you plan on doing video editing, streaming etc then get a Ryzen.

4K Video editing is what i want it for and was thinking of the 1700 and an Asrock X370 Taichi but I haven't a clue about the ram and I've no idea how to OC it

humbug · 30 Mar 2017 at 13:47

I would get the Ryzen 7, the 1700 is just as good as the much more expensive 1800X, its even cheaper than the 7700K and frankly because that only has 4 cores it is already right on the limit in modern games, in comparison the 7700K will only get slower and the Ryzen chip only faster...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXVIPo_qbc4

djbully · 30 Mar 2017 at 13:49

People saying the Ryzen doesnt overclock, that maybe true fro 1800X and a little the 1700X, but the 1700 is 3Ghz base, so overclocking 3.0 - 3.9 is reasonable in my eyes

Hilafero · 30 Mar 2017 at 13:58

I vote R7 [email protected] GHz, it may be better...