1800X or 7700K ?

Smffy · 31 Mar 2017 at 15:06

Freddie1980 said:
I wasn't to sure about Ryzen when it came out due to the 1080p results but in hindsight I can see some of the testing was a bit iffy and with updates etc you could expect to see improved performance. Also games down the road were more likely to be taking advantage of the extra cores then not which gives it the edge over Kaby Lake.

I'm running 1440p and really with two strong 1080s they absolutely nail it... but the CPU struggles with high frame rates to keep up on 144hz.

I think I might take a punt on it in a few weeks, if it turns out to be a nightmare then nevermind as I'll probably learn a lot along the way.

RavenXXX2 · 31 Mar 2017 at 15:08

If mostly for gaming with a highend gpu then the 7700k, it gets the most out your expensive gfx card.

humbug · 31 Mar 2017 at 16:10

jrwagh333 said:
I really only play CSGO and on low settings.

I've got a FX 8320 (4.5ghz) at the moment and am considering an upgrade. So it'll either be the 1700 or 7700K.

I know the 7700K will give higher FPS at low res (1024x768) but will the 1700 keep higher minimums?

Shame that there aren't really many CSGO benches for the 1700 but I can see why. It's a top end chip and CSGO is just an old game.

Wait for AMD's 6 core, in games its going to have the same performance as the 8 core and plenty to drive 1440P as far as it needs to, its also going to be £100+ cheaper than the 7700K and more future proof.

Bluntwrapped · 31 Mar 2017 at 16:14

While getting on a bit now I would be tempted to go x99 and buy a 6800k, just from my recent experience of playing with one. Especially if the price is around the same.

You can get an OEM one for less than the price of a 7700k and while they don't clock as well, they're great fun to play with

maybe the two extra cores and 4 extra threads will come in handy later down the line, more so than a higher overclocking quad core.

The ASUS thermal control tool which I'm currently playing with is great. Set the max stable clock in the bios then manually set a throttling voltage and multi in Windows for when the temp gets nearer 70c.

I've got a 4.4GHz bios profile set and a 4.1GHz throttle profile set in Windows for heavier and extended load. Pretty neat stuff

Panos · 31 Mar 2017 at 16:28

Bluntwrapped said:
While getting on a bit now I would be tempted to go x99 and buy a 6800k, just from my recent experience of playing with one. Especially if the price is around the same.

You can get an OEM one for less than the price of a 7700k and while they don't clock as well, they're great fun to play with maybe the two extra cores and 4 extra threads will come in handy later down the line, more so than a higher overclocking quad core.

The ASUS thermal control tool which I'm currently playing with is great. Set the max stable clock in the bios then manually set a throttling voltage and multi in Windows for when the temp gets nearer 70c.

I've got a 4.4GHz bios profile set and a 4.1GHz throttle profile set in Windows for heavier and extended load. Pretty neat stuff

Moving from 6700K @4.7 to 6800K @ 4, all my gaming performance was better at 2560x1440 much smoother, while I would always run multiple things on background.
even single thread games like world of tanks runs much better and smoother.

I will upgrade to Ryzen (again) when I'm back from holidays in May.

humbug · 31 Mar 2017 at 16:34

Panos said:
Moving from 6700K @4.7 to 6800K @ 4, all my gaming performance was better at 2560x1440 much smoother, while I would always run multiple things on background.
even single thread games like world of tanks runs much better and smoother.

I will upgrade to Ryzen (again) when I'm back from holidays in May.

Yup, because like Ryzen the 6800K also has a lot more cache than the none enthusiast i7's.

And just wait until AMD start selling their own enthusiast range, the 12 core 24 thread 4 channel salvaged Naples chips..... ooooohhh Intel you need to be worried because they will blow your enthusiast range out of the water!

Bluntwrapped · 31 Mar 2017 at 16:36

Panos said:
Moving from 6700K @4.7 to 6800K @ 4, all my gaming performance was better at 2560x1440 much smoother, while I would always run multiple things on background.
even single thread games like world of tanks runs much better and smoother.

I will upgrade to Ryzen (again) when I'm back from holidays in May.

Sounds like a nice upgrade for you man

I'm surprised it's made such a noticeable difference but it's great that it has.

I'm seriously impressed with it so far. Was on the fence over the 6800k and a higher core/thread count Xeon but I'm glad I went with with the 6800k. Having 0 previous experience of x99 it's been fun playing with and clocking it.

With Ryzen I think I'll hold off until next year and see what happens. Going by the randomness of the issues around memory and overclocking it seems like AMD still have a bit of work to do.

jrwagh333 · 31 Mar 2017 at 17:01

humbug said:
Wait for AMD's 6 core, in games its going to have the same performance as the 8 core and plenty to drive 1440P as far as it needs to, its also going to be £100+ cheaper than the 7700K and more future proof.

The clock speed isn't there though with Ryzen, that's the thing.... And I only play at 1080p and only 1024x768 for CSGO

humbug · 31 Mar 2017 at 17:03

jrwagh333 said:
The clock speed isn't there though with Ryzen, that's the thing.... And I only play at 1080p and only 1024x768 for CSGO

If you want to for CSGO and 1,000,000 FPS don't bother with Ryzen, you're much better off with the 7700K, Ryzen will only get you 750,000 FPS.

Supernova · 31 Mar 2017 at 17:04

New 6700ks are under £300 now. That's what I would do without a doubt.

Panos · 31 Mar 2017 at 19:31

MSTRBKR said:
New 6700ks are under £300 now. That's what I would do without a doubt.

New 1700 goes under £300 also, and is not a dead end motherboard that will be obsolete in 8 months.
Someone can build a 1700 with the MSI Tomahawk for around £420, and buy some good Ram and overclock the system to 3.9-4Ghz with the stock cooler.
(yes it can take it).
Job done for long time to come.

jrwagh333 · 1 Apr 2017 at 09:14

Panos said:
New 1700 goes under £300 also, and is not a dead end motherboard that will be obsolete in 8 months.
Someone can build a 1700 with the MSI Tomahawk for around £420, and buy some good Ram and overclock the system to 3.9-4Ghz with the stock cooler.
(yes it can take it).
Job done for long time to come.

Yet to see the 1700 under £300 myself

8 Pack · 1 Apr 2017 at 09:34

Come on your informed enough not to need to ask on here!!

1700 oc for value and decent gaming.
7700K oc for gaming.

Am 4 platform needs work.

Supernova · 1 Apr 2017 at 09:36

Panos said:
New 1700 goes under £300 also, and is not a dead end motherboard that will be obsolete in 8 months.
Someone can build a 1700 with the MSI Tomahawk for around £420, and buy some good Ram and overclock the system to 3.9-4Ghz with the stock cooler.
(yes it can take it).
Job done for long time to come.

I've never upgraded a CPU using the same motherboard, so it would be fine for me, but not for everyone. A 6700k will last 5-6 years. Also you can run a 6700k in a Z270 motherboard if future-proofing was a concern.

Panos · 1 Apr 2017 at 10:00

MSTRBKR said:
I've never upgraded a CPU using the same motherboard, so it would be fine for me, but not for everyone. A 6700k will last 5-6 years. Also you can run a 6700k in a Z270 motherboard if future-proofing was a concern.

There is no future proofing on the Z270. Is a dead end board. Next gen has new boards in 8 months.

Panos · 1 Apr 2017 at 10:02

jrwagh333 said:
Yet to see the 1700 under £300 myself

OCUK was selling it at £299 earlier this week. Today is back again to £329.
If you don't believe me, ask OCUK or check the Zen thread around Monday - Tuesday.

jrwagh333 · 1 Apr 2017 at 11:02

Panos said:
OCUK was selling it at £299 earlier this week. Today is back again to £329.
If you don't believe me, ask OCUK or check the Zen thread around Monday - Tuesday.

must have missed it. Thanks for clearing it up.

Should hopefully see a good deal next week as OCUK posted about doing a Ryzen bundle.

spoffle · 1 Apr 2017 at 11:09

Brazo said:
I am seriously laughing hard at the people who think you can only do one thing at a time on a top intel quadcore.

You're just not though really are you?

Drollic · 1 Apr 2017 at 12:16

The 1600x vs the 7700k is a lot more interesting due to the large cost saving compared with the 1800x. There's reviews around already showing the performance of 6 cores at 4.0 and the difference to the 8 core is looking minimal. Whilst the 1700 won't cost much more than the 1600x, it won't necessarily do 4.0 and occasionally only 3.8 is achievable currently. In theory, if the 5s follow the same trend as the 7s, the 1600x may do 4.1-4.2. If this is the case, you could have a better gaming chip for a lot less money, at least in the short term and likely till zen+. It makes for a tricky choice when the upcoming 6 core Intel's will likely cost nearly as much as a 1600x and good motherboard.

humbug · 1 Apr 2017 at 13:37

jrwagh333 said:
Yet to see the 1700 under £300 myself

Sub £300 6700K's don't exist either unless you buy them used. its also a dead platform.

For £220 the 1600 6 core is going to be unbeatable in everything but yesterdays gaming.