1984 Arrives
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Who else has thought they might like to protest these new laws or maybe organise some opposition to it but then realised that doing so might not be the smartest thing in a country where your communications are monitored and you can be arrested at will and convicted in a secret trial?
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And that is how all oppressive regimes start ... when people feel that if they complain, something may happen. Real pity we are going down this route.
BBC seems to be subtley supporting this bill based in the wording of most of their articles, I always knew it was state run media but I thought that sometimes it might have the countries best interests at heart.
These secret trials will take the headlines while the internet monitoring is quietly brought in without people paying attention. We'll get some concessions on the secret trials and the majority of the public will go away thinking they won a victory without having realised that the government got exactly what they wanted all along.
Also as for the EU protecting us, the current Internet snooping was actually brought in due to an EU directive in 2009, they're usually worse than the British government at wanting to snoop, probably stems from the fact that most euro-bosses aren't even voted in.
These secret trials will take the headlines while the internet monitoring is quietly brought in without people paying attention. We'll get some concessions on the secret trials and the majority of the public will go away thinking they won a victory without having realised that the government got exactly what they wanted all along.
Also as for the EU protecting us, the current Internet snooping was actually brought in due to an EU directive in 2009, they're usually worse than the British government at wanting to snoop, probably stems from the fact that most euro-bosses aren't even voted in.
I was wondering about the BBC as the very first article on the 1st of April was far more critical than later ones.
Compare the wording of the original article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745
with the newer ones reporting Clegg's comments:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17595209
It goes from highlighting the criticism and the governments justification being "key to tackling crime and terrorism" to saying that it is a propionate response and the justification now including "paedophiles"
Compare the wording of the original article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745
with the newer ones reporting Clegg's comments:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17595209
It goes from highlighting the criticism and the governments justification being "key to tackling crime and terrorism" to saying that it is a propionate response and the justification now including "paedophiles"
Funny thing is post 9/11 all the western leaders were claiming that terrorists hated us because of our freedoms and we would not let them win, here we are ten years later considerably less free as a result of anti-terrorism laws.
There are some who say Nazis burned down the Reichstag so that they could erode German civil liberties in the name of security. What's the betting on US/UK being the fourth reich?
There are some who say Nazis burned down the Reichstag so that they could erode German civil liberties in the name of security. What's the betting on US/UK being the fourth reich?
Caporegime
LOL at everyone who voted for the Tories in the vain hope that they'd offer 'small government' and 'restore our civil liberties.'
They're turning out to be far worse than Labour ever were.
They're turning out to be far worse than Labour ever were.
Damn right, I feel betrayed by all the main parties and I'm currently trying to work out how to make the system work again. The local elections should be interesting, either there is a big back lash or my faith in humanity slips a notch further and no-one makes a stand.
Caporegime
You guys don't have a proper Green party over there, do you? Can't remember hearing about one during the ~6 years I lived in the UK.
Our Greens comprise the nation's third largest party. At the last election they formed a coalition government with Labor.
Many people use the Greens as a protest vote, although it sometimes backfires as Labor and the Greens tend to preference each other.
Our Greens comprise the nation's third largest party. At the last election they formed a coalition government with Labor.
Many people use the Greens as a protest vote, although it sometimes backfires as Labor and the Greens tend to preference each other.
need a none of the above option with any losing candidate in the vote unable to run in any constituency for that election.
We have a small green party with one MP but I can't in all conscience vote for them as they have some policies such as wanting to have speed limiters for motorcycles and maximum bike engine sizes. They also want a max speed limit on all major roads of 55mph and other such anti-motoring policies.
Maybe there are some local independents who aren't the usual bunch of raving lunatics I can vote for.
Maybe there are some local independents who aren't the usual bunch of raving lunatics I can vote for.
the green party is essentially the socialist workers party with some terrible "green" policies that aren't even that green.
not true, that election in Birmingham (i think) recently only 50% of people turned out.
everyone i know who says they think voting is a scam/they arn't happy with it says they don't vote.
So far the largest common group of voters is those that don't vote, if they got their act together and voted they'd decide every election in every constituency.
Not voting is the reason you don't see change (combined with the retards who always vote for the same party either out of loyalty or hating the other guy)
That really only works in exceptional circumstances, those in the area knew that he had a lot of support. If there was support in my area then I would bother voting otherwise it's completely wasted. If we had PR then I would always vote. A minority of voters should = a minority of seats, it doesn't and until the party I support is a majority in a single constituency, my vote is always going to be wasted.
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no it doesn't turn out is typically 60% most seats win in the kind of 30% of the votes region, so if the other 40% rock up they decide who wins if they get together. hell if half of them turn up and vote for the third place guy he's pretty much going to win.
not turning up just guarantees you're not represented.
Loyal voters and non voters are two groups any politician can safely ignore, which means minority groups with no loyalties that make it clear they'll move to anyone who supports their point are pandered to.