£1m to prove an afterlife.

[DalGurak]

No one can PROVE afterlife because you would have to be dead... use common sense u cant come back from dead and tell everyone: omg! afterlife!

I swear everyone has me on ignore

 

[THMRK]

holby city type programs, mixed with a heightened sense of hearing, could produce instances exactly like those.

How can a heightened sense of hearing describe what the tool looked like, the case it came out of and how her head was shaved?

 

[Nitefly]

What I'm trying to say is that even if you were in a completely relaxed state, there is still no accouting for the fact that the patient managed to see and accurately describe (apparently from above) the tool used to cut her head open, the surroundings and what went on in the room, even though her eyes were taped shut. I mean yeah, a case can be made for the fact she may have heard things happen because ear plugs don't block out all sound and there is a possiblity she wasn't fully sedated, but I still can't see how it would be possible for her to "see" and describe these things with such accuracy.

She lied and saw the instruments beforehand. See what I did there?

There is absolutely no conclusive evidense that can be drawn from this case study. One can only speculate. Which scientifically, is useless.

As such, science can in no way be used to prove or disprove such things (as yet).

 

[Glaucus]

How can a heightened sense of hearing describe what the tool looked like, the case it came out of and how her head was shaved?

because surgical tools are usually the same. you see a documentary on tv or a medical program, them when you unconctiouse you hear and feel the implement. From pre op you know there drilling your head and not a saw. you put 1 +1 + 1 together and get 3. Not saying that's what happened but its a possibility.

 

[THMRK]

She lied and saw the instruments beforehand. See what I did there?

There is absolutely no conclusive evidense that can be drawn from this case study. One can only speculate. Which scientifically, is useless.

If you read what both her doctor said and what she said, there was no way she could have seen the instruments before hand. The doctoer himself had to actually read up on the procedure a day or two before because the procdure hadn't been done very often at that time (back in 1991). The instrument used in the procedure was also very uncommon at the time (and may still be, I dunno...).

The book is which the case is in, is a very interesting read at least. I'm not saying it's conclusive, but I think that no matter which way you look at it, it's still very compelling and there are things in it that people have tried to explain but come up with nothing.

I'm not saying I believe it either, but I think it's very interesting at least.

 

[Inquisitor]

Impossible. And there's a reason it's impossible - there's no such thing!

Last night I watched a C4 documentary about some religious nutters in America that go around calling everyone "fags" even if they're referring to the army for example. They picket military funerals and stuff, and generally hate "anti-god stuff such" as abortions, contraception and sex out of wedlock. One of the women with the biggest mouth was confronted late in the piece about whether or not her own son was legitimate, and it turns out the stupid bint had a son out of marriage but was going around harassing people that were in the same situation as her.

I officially can't stand religion and anything hocus-pocus that goes against science

You do realise that science doesn't define truth right? That's not even what it tries to do.

 

[dbmzk1]

I've been dead. For over 5 minutes. I never had any near death experiences. My life didn't even flash before my eyes. I was quite disappointed actually, theres a few things I wouldn't mind seeing again

I believe in science. Science has no evidence to suggest that anything even remotely resembling an afterlife exists. Granted it can't disprove it either. But based on my personal experiences as the lack of scientific evidence I fail to understand how anyone can say there is an afterlife.

The thought of an afterlife comes from religion and our irrational fear of death. Everything dies, best get used to it.

 

[Raikiri]

No one can PROVE afterlife because you would have to be dead... use common sense u cant come back from dead and tell everyone: omg! afterlife!

Tell that to jesus!




Sorry

 

[~J~]

If they did prove it, I hope it's not made public.

Imagine all the killers, rapists, paedophiles, people who owe money, emo-kids, and all in multiple mass suicides, killings, etc because they think they're going to a better life.

Maybe it's best if we never know.

 

[Raikiri]

Imagine all the killers, rapists, paedophiles, , emo-kids, and all in multiple mass suicides

I don't see a down side?

 

[Dolph]

Everything you see hear and feel is a result of physical chemical reactions. We are organic and will rot to dust when we die, nothing more. Deal with it.

Prove it. And while doing so, remember what the scientific method is designed to do, how it works and it's limitations. (Hint, it's a means to generate the simplest predictive model that maps to data to demonstrate how something could happen. It does not deal in truths or absolutes and cannot test the untestable).

Currently you're coming across as a bit of a fundamentalist, sounding just as bad as those who hold religion by claiming your own faith is superior.

 

[Nitefly]

Snip

Out of interest, do you think that organ manipulation and observation (For example, flashing light in to the eyes of locust and recording the extracellular electrical potentials produced, or even recording the intracellular readings from within the eye) does not count as practically absolute evidence of how certain systems work? If so, why?