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1st Fermi review

hmm 93 degree at load and looks to pull as much power as the 5970 all i can say is thats probably gonna be one loud card so won't be going in my machine. I wonder if they used a fermi certified case aswell to get that temp :p
 
ejr22 said:
Maybe you will compare it with today's drivers so you can claim a small win (or perhaps minimize a loss) but I, and I'm sure others, will be interested to compare the cards with like-for-like drivers to get a more balanced and accurate view of performance.
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Get a grip, phone Nvidia, ask them at what stage their driver team starts working on drivers for new architectures, the response will be "before we get the first cores back, way way before".

Nvidia have been working on the drivers for just as long as AMD, that is simply a fact. They've had hardware to test on for 6 months, just not a releasable quantity, the respins have changed nothing architecturally at all, just trying to improve yields with better layouts.

Driver teams can improve drivers, WITHOUT FINAL HARDWARE AVAILABLE, they can most certainly do it after they get hardware(6 months ago).

These are not immature drivers. Immature would be within 2 months of getting A1 silicon back.

Seriously, honestly tell me what you'd do in this situation. You run Nvidia, you got hardware back but it needs a respin as you can't make enough to sell it, your driver teams have already been working for 2 months(minimum), you know that AMD has their cards out and are working on their drivers, you know you'll be at least 3 months late, maybe 6 months late. Do you

A/ Decide to send the driver team home for 6 months and come out 6 months late against a 6 month old established card with 6 months worth of driver updates, with a completely new card with zero driver work done on it at all.

or B/ have your employee's continue doing their job, working hard on the drivers so when the hardware is finally available, 6 months, late, expensive and with few to release, the drivers are as good as possible so you aren't embarassed that your card barely functions.

Honestly, if you pick A, you're going on ignore.(EDIT:- I just realised that sounded like it was aimed at ejr22 specifically, it wasn't, the post was against a bunch of people who seem to think drivers can only be started on post release of a card).
 
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ejr22 said:
And I'm sure ATI had 6 months to work on drivers before their release.
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And so did Nvidia, so that's 12 months. ATI's driver team is also a fraction of the size of Nvidia so they get more time an extra 6 moths going by your thinking.

Its a stupid idea IMO. The performance is what it is now. If that gets up people noses then they need to air their frustration at Nvidia.
 
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One more thing to add about the drivers - they may be immature in new games such as Metro 2033 but old titles and even Dirt 2 should be well optimized to run them by now.
 
Dezmen said:
Official IXBT.com benchmarks.

Test Box:
Intel Core I7 CPU 920 (2667 MHz);
ASUS P6T Deluxe;
3 GB DDR3 SDRAM Corsair 1066MHz;
WD Caviar SE WD1600JD 160GB SATA.
Tagan TG900-BZ 900W.
Windows 7 32bit; DirectX 11;
Dell 3007WFP (30").
CATALYST 10.3; NVIDIA 197.17.

Game: Unigine Tropics Benchmark

Result:
1280x1024 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-tr-wxp-1280-pcie.html
1680x1050 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-tr-wxp-1680-pcie.html
1920x1200 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-tr-wxp-1920-pcie.html
2560x1600 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-tr-wxp-2560-pcie.html

Game: Far Cry 2

Result:
1280x1024 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-fc-wxp-1280-pcie.html
1680x1050 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-fc-wxp-1680-pcie.html
1920x1200 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-fc-wxp-1920-pcie.html
2560x1600 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-fc-wxp-2560-pcie.html

Game: Unigine Heaven Benchmark DirectX 11.0

Result:
1280x1024 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-h2-wxp-1280-pcie.html
1680x1050 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-h2-wxp-1680-pcie.html
1920x1200 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-h2-wxp-1920-pcie.html
2560x1600 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-h2-wxp-2560-pcie.html

Game: CRYSIS, RESCUE

Result:
1280x1024 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-cr3-wxp-1280-pcie.html
1680x1050 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-cr3-wxp-1680-pcie.html
1920x1200 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-cr3-wxp-1920-pcie.html
2560x1600 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-cr3-wxp-2560-pcie.html

Game: CRYSIS WARHEAD, CARGO

Result:
1280x1024 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-cr4-wxp-1280-pcie.html
1680x1050 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-cr4-wxp-1680-pcie.html
1920x1200 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-cr4-wxp-1920-pcie.html
2560x1600 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-cr4-wxp-2560-pcie.html

Game: Unigine Heaven Benchmark DirectX 10.0

Result:
1280x1024 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-h1-wxp-1280-pcie.html
1680x1050 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-h1-wxp-1680-pcie.html
1920x1200 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-h1-wxp-1920-pcie.html
2560x1600 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-h1-wxp-2560-pcie.html

Game: 3DMark Vantage Graphics MARKS

Result:
1280x1024 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-m-wxp-1280-pcie.html
1680x1050 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-m-wxp-1680-pcie.html
1920x1200 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-m-wxp-1920-pcie.html
2560x1600 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-m-wxp-2560-pcie.html


Game: Colin McRae: DiRT2

Result:
1280x1024 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-di-wxp-1280-pcie.html
1680x1050 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-di-wxp-1680-pcie.html
1920x1200 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-di-wxp-1920-pcie.html
2560x1600 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-di-wxp-2560-pcie.html


Game: Just Cause 2

Result:
1280x1024 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-jc-wxp-1280-pcie.html
1680x1050 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-jc-wxp-1680-pcie.html
1920x1200 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-jc-wxp-1920-pcie.html
2560x1600 http://www.ixbt.com/video/itogi-video/0310/itogi-video-jc-wxp-2560-pcie.html


Enjoy :)
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I'm not arguing that ATI didn't clearly beat nVidia to the DirectX 11 party, or that nVidia haven't been completely incompetent in manufacturing this card. All I'm saying is that both ATI and nVidia would probably have the same sort of level of driver support/optimisation on the release date of their cards, and that I will look at those results with interest.
 
hehe, Just Cause easily faster on AMD hardware, even though its got 3 separate Nvidia logo's splattered all across the game(and Havok :p ).

Dirt 2 benchmarks again odd, 4890 beating a 5870, think its fair to say the 4890 and 480gtx aren't running dx11 there but the 5870 is.
 
drunkenmaster said:
As for being a great gpgpu, I really wish people would stop saying that, AMD aren't actively marketing it to gaming companies as a great GPGPU, but the 5870 certainly is.

The benchmark the other day, of a company that uses Nvidia hardware and CUDA to run their data, they did a quick port, got the same software working on AMD hardware in OpenCL(and didn't take them at all long apparently) and a 5870 was, was it 4 times faster than a 285GTX doing the same "GPGPU" type work Nvidia don't shut the heck up about.

Nvidia may, or may not be the GPGPU kings, but to say it because Nvidia say it, with no comparisons of software being run on both, its just an accepted thing people now say with zero proof. AMD sell GPU's first and foremost so talk about GPU's, they sell professional
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Of course there will be software that works better on Nvidia/ATI, exactly as rendering engines can prefer one to the other. I have absolutely no idea what benchmark you are talking about though. The fact is ATI don't shout about their GPGPU or workstation graphics because they are YEARS behind Nvidia in support/drivers. Ask around on any forum dedicated to high end 3D work, MAX/Maya/AutoCAD whatever - listen to what people say and look through the thousands of ATI vs Nvidia threads that are around. Nvidia's dominance in that field is not some myth conjured up by fanboys, we are talking about professionals who choose hardware extremely carefully. I know that every single post you make on this forum is dedicated to how crap Nvidia are, but you have to accept you don't know it all.

If you want some direct GPGPU comparisons between ATI and Nvidia go find the software to do so, you'll find it's not easy since Stream was a complete failure and OpenCL/DirectCompute are in their infancy.
 
p0rks0da said:
Of course there will be software that works better on Nvidia/ATI, exactly as rendering engines can prefer one to the other. I have absolutely no idea what benchmark you are talking about though. The fact is ATI don't shout about their GPGPU or workstation graphics because they are YEARS behind Nvidia in support/drivers. Ask around on any forum dedicated to high end 3D work, MAX/Maya/AutoCAD whatever - listen to what people say and look through the thousands of ATI vs Nvidia threads that are around. Nvidia's dominance in that field is not some myth conjured up by fanboys, we are talking about professionals who choose hardware extremely carefully. I know that every single post you make on this forum is dedicated to how crap Nvidia are, but you have to accept you don't know it all.

If you want some direct GPGPU comparisons between ATI and Nvidia go find the software to do so, you'll find it's not easy since Stream was a complete failure and OpenCL/DirectCompute are in their infancy.
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Who cares about high end 3d work??? This discussion is about gaming graphics cards!
 
I switched from Nvidia to ATI today. I think lots of other people will do the same. Like many others, I've been holding fire on a direct x 11 purchase for the past few months in order to see what Nvidia would produce with the fermi.

This morning I ordered the Sapphire 5870 Vapor X. Why? The reason is I'm so confident the GTX 480 will be a disappointment. Constant problems, delays, and the fact Nvidia has remained so quiet about its new card, sent alarm bells ringing. The review on ***** shows that the card runs hot, its power hungry, and doesn't offer anything in terms of performance that can justify £150+ premium over a 5870. I'm not a fanboy or anything of the sort and have owned 3 Nvidia cards and 2 ATI cards in my lifetime. I will go with the vendor who can offer best 'bang for buck' or a card which totally destroys the opposition.
 
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