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1st Fermi review

p0rks0da said:
It's a thread about the GTX480, we can can talk about anything relating to that... But you're right, discussing gaming benchmarks is the gift that keeps on giving...
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Of course, but if you think the discussion on this thread is not mostly about fermi gaming performance you're deluded.
 
Lightnix said:
Hm, a short selection of whose articles I plan on reading would be Tech Report (IMO they tend to have the most in-depth look at the GPU architecture, not the least bit surprising given their ties with b3d), bit-tech, anandtech, guru3d and techpowerup. Any others I'll take as they come. :p
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Hardware Canucks are a decent site too.
 
I won't make a decision now, as I won't be upgrading til July-ish... But it's looking very much like ATI will get my hard-earned.

Especially if they release a 5890 ;)
 
My personal opinion (dont mob me) is that the nvidia cards are going to sell poorly, especially if they are at a premium.
Im on my 4890 running at 1920x1200 with a core2duo at 3.4ghz. I like my fps, but i feel no need what so ever to upgrade right now. Perhaps i will do towards the end of the year and if that is the case i will buy a 5870 due to the fact i know it is going to be cheaper.
To me the nvidia offering looks like it is trying to take the workstation market AND the gamer market. I just dont see it working. Brownie points for trying, i love the new direction that they seem to be heading but it is too little too late. Now if they had released at the same time as ATI i would have gone for the nvidia due to the innovation and the physx.

The only upgrade i even feel like doing right now is maybe grabbing a Q9950.
 
Frame352 said:
I won't make a decision now, as I won't be upgrading til July-ish... But it's looking very much like ATI will get my hard-earned.

Especially if they release a 5890 ;)
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yeah a 5890 seems like a better option to wait for. the 480 needed to be priced around the £350 - £399 mark to remain competetive but at £500 for a single gpu card with only a small % increase over the 5870? who they trying to fool (oh yeah, the fanboys)
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Before debating how much I know, could you quote where I say AMD are faster, where I said Nvidia were poor, or where I demonstrated the ability to only post bad things about Nvidia.

I simply said this, people say Nvidia are way ahead on GPGPU performance, the fact is they aren't. As you said some things will suit the architecture some won't, its actually more likely with AMD's recent architecture that its a GPGPU type area that can harness the 4+1 shader styles power more efficiently than gaming, which can't get 100% performance out of it at any time basically.

As you said, Nvidia were simply the first and most vocal about GPGPU/Cuda and the rest, that translates into sales, and a dominance, again I think you won't find me mentioning anything against that point. Its not because Nvidia are actually far faster or better, simply that AMD didn't go after that market, and thats two VERY different things. Likewise Ati simply never came close to having Nvidia's money or ability to spend money marketing, or waste the money advertising their "gpgpu like capabilities" because any money they spent on marketing or going after specific clients, would have been met by 10 fold higher spending and it would literally just be a waste.

Not going after a market hell for leather, doesn't make their cards worse in that market, less used, and less supported yes, less good, no.

But my point wasn't about market dominance, or actual speed, just the fact that in a 99.9% gaming oriented forum all we ever hear is how Nvidia are so much better as a GPGPU than AMD's architecture is, and thats simply false. THere aren't any benchmarks to show whose better, and thats my point, its never really been compared on any serious level, but its just banded around as "fact" that Nvidia, and specifically Fermi, is the best GPGPU ever.

Going to have better support, yes, are there more GPGPU users who use Nvidia, so far use Cuda and would prefer to stick with them, yes, a better gpgpu......... maybe, its not been quantified on any realistic level, that is my point.

We're all waiting for hundreds of benchmarks on dozen's of sites to prove which is the faster GPU, but GPGPU, no need its Nvidia because we all say it enough..........
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I didn't say you said AMD were faster so i'm not sure where you got that from, but you post history shows clearly what you think about Nvidia. I have nothing against you personally (i don't know you from Adam) but you follow the popular trend of Nvidia bashing as everyone seems to have for the past 6 months.

If you look back ATI were most definately shouting about Stream because they wanted a proprietary API of their own to get a share of the HPC market. When it was clear that Stream was not going to succeed they went quiet and now again they have started to liven up about OpenCL. They have exactly the same ambitions as Nvidia but they just haven't panned out for them they way they would like (maybe that will change, and i'd be all fo that, competetion is a plus in any market).

I completely agree with what you are saying about ATI not having the funds or experience that Nvidia have, but that's not Nvidias fault. Whether we like it or not, a GPU (or GPGPU) in the professional market lives or dies by it's driver quality and software support. I am not of the opinion that ATI's drivers suck on the desktop lineup like lots of people say, i have never had a single serious problem with any ATI driver, and i've owned only ATI cards since the 9800PRO. But in the professional field their drivers and software support are another matter, they are widely regarded as being seriously inferior even now.

Hopefully this will change, but for now Nvidia are the kings of GPGPU and workstation graphics by default because they are so far ahead. I think Fermi is going to be considerably faster for GPGPU work than Cypress, maybe ATI's next architecture will be much more of a hybrid approach also, but regardless while we are in this period of change where everything GPGPU based has to run through an API, then software support and drivers are always going to be the single most important aspect of a cards success.

edit: i have absolutely no intention of buying a GTX480 btw, unless by some miracle the come in at £250 lol
 
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Frenzy said:
My personal opinion (dont mob me) is that the nvidia cards are going to sell poorly, especially if they are at a premium.
Im on my 4890 running at 1920x1200 with a core2duo at 3.4ghz. I like my fps, but i feel no need what so ever to upgrade right now. Perhaps i will do towards the end of the year and if that is the case i will buy a 5870 due to the fact i know it is going to be cheaper.
To me the nvidia offering looks like it is trying to take the workstation market AND the gamer market. I just dont see it working. Brownie points for trying, i love the new direction that they seem to be heading but it is too little too late. Now if they had released at the same time as ATI i would have gone for the nvidia due to the innovation and the physx.
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I doubt you will be mobbed, things don't look particularly good for FERMI as things stand currently. This may change but it is looking more and more doubtful as time goes by.
 
straxusii said:
They wont need to lower their prices to thrash Nvidia. A 5870 @£300 or a 480@£450, unless you must buy Nvidia there is no competition.
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Yeah I know that, but if they did, lets just say bye bye nvidia. Don't think even the nvidia fan boys could avoid the ATI cards then lol.
 
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Frenzy said:
My personal opinion (dont mob me) is that the nvidia cards are going to sell poorly, especially if they are at a premium.
Im on my 4890 running at 1920x1200 with a core2duo at 3.4ghz. I like my fps, but i feel no need what so ever to upgrade right now. Perhaps i will do towards the end of the year and if that is the case i will buy a 5870 due to the fact i know it is going to be cheaper.
To me the nvidia offering looks like it is trying to take the workstation market AND the gamer market. I just dont see it working. Brownie points for trying, i love the new direction that they seem to be heading but it is too little too late. Now if they had released at the same time as ATI i would have gone for the nvidia due to the innovation and the physx.

The only upgrade i even feel like doing right now is maybe grabbing a Q9950.
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Charlie Damerijan posted a while back that the cards we have now were not actually originally planned for the gaming market, but they had problems with whatever they were planning and that's why we have the GTX480/470. He might be completely wrong but it seems about right to me. Fermi has so much die space dedicated to things that are next to useless in gaming but really useful for GPGPU.
 
the ones that bought 5870 6months ago haven't lost a thing, they had all that power and were enjoying it...
somehow i still hope that miracle will happen on moday when proper beches will be released :D but if those that were flouting here tonight were right than that's a bad news for NV.
 
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