2005 French Grand Prix

//Mike · 3 Jul 2005 at 14:41

Klien doesn't drive a Renault Flib

alexs · 3 Jul 2005 at 14:42

Love the wrong flags above Kimi and Schumacher

rpstewart · 3 Jul 2005 at 14:42

OK, someone's going to get a slap! Remember to face the same way as the crowds when you put the flags on the pole!

//Mike · 3 Jul 2005 at 14:43

Lol, wonder why they came down pretty sharpish!

SKILL · 3 Jul 2005 at 14:44

I thought that was quite a good race, the qualifying lap by Kimi Raikkonen was just

considering how much more fuel he had, if he hadn't needed to change the engine i reckon he would have won the race quite comfortably...

Flibster · 3 Jul 2005 at 14:48

Think this is right...

Current Championship Standings.

2005 Drivers Championship.

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[b]Pos	Driver			Nationality	Team			Points[/b]
1 	Fernando Alonso		Spanish		Renault			69 
2 	Kimi Räikkönen		Finnish		McLaren-Mercedes	45 
3 	Michael Schumacher	German		Ferrari			40 
4 	Jarno Trulli		Italian		Toyota			31 
5 	Rubens Barrichello	Brazilian	Ferrari			29 
6 	Nick Heidfeld		German		Williams-BMW		25 
=8 	Mark Webber		Australian	Williams-BMW		22 
=8	Ralf Schumacher		German		Toyota			22 
9 	Giancarlo Fisichella	Italian		Renault			20 
10	David Coulthard		British		Red Bull Racing		17 
11 	Juan Pablo Montoya	Colombian	McLaren-Mercedes	16 
12 	Felipe Massa		Brazilian	Sauber-Petronas		7 
=15 	Tiago Monteiro		Portuguese	Jordan-Toyota		6 
=15 	Alexander Wurz		Austrian	McLaren-Mercedes	6 
=15 	Jacques Villeneuve	Canadian	Sauber-Petronas		6 
=17 	Narain Karthikeyan	Indian		Jordan-Toyota		5 
=17	Jenson Button		British		BAR-Honda		5
=20 	Christijan Albers	Dutch		Minardi-Cosworth	4 
=20 	Pedro de la Rosa	Spanish		McLaren-Mercedes	4 
=20 	Christian Klien		Austrian	Red Bull Racing		4 
21 	Patrick Friesacher	Austrian	Minardi-Cosworth	3 
22 	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Italian		Red Bull Racing		1

2005 Constructors Championship.

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[b]Pos	Constructor 		Points[/b]
1	Renault			86
2	McLaren-Mercedes	71
3	Ferrari			69
5	Toyota			53
5	Williams-BMW		47
6	Red Bull Racing		22
7	Sauber-Petronas		13
8	Jordan-Toyota		11
9	Minardi-Cosworth	7
10	BAR-Honda		5

IPBA · 3 Jul 2005 at 15:06

What a boring race - no overtaking again as usual on this mickey mouse french circuit :mad:

I was at the French GP in 2003 and again overtaking manouvers witnessed = 0

Bring on the British GP - It never fails to provide a cracking race with bags of overtaking.

Despite being a Ferrari Fan I think 1st get rid of Imola and then Monaco & Magny Cours.

Side Note: well done to Alonso (super quick) but Kimi would have won w/o 10 grid slot penalty.

Schumi: really should be 4rth as he would never have caught Montoya but on the other hand Ferrari need to do some serious head scratching to catch Renault and Mclaren.

Flibster · 3 Jul 2005 at 15:27

Race Results.

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[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Laps	Time		Grid	Points[/b]
1	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			70	Winner		1	10
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	70	+11.8 secs	13	8
3	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			70	+81.9 secs	3	6
4	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		69	+1 Lap		7	5
5	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			69	+1 Lap		2	4
6	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			69	+1 Lap		6	3
7	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			69	+1 Lap		11	2
8	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		69	+1 Lap		1	1
9	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			69	+1 Lap		5
10	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		69	+1 Lap		15
11	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		69	+1 Lap		4
12	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		68	+2 Lap		12
13	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		67	+3 Lap		19
14	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		66	+4 Lap		14
15	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		66	+4 Lap		17
Ret	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	46	+24 Laps	8	
Ret	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	37	+33 Laps	20	
Ret	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	33	+37 Laps	18	
Ret	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		30	+40 Laps	9	
Ret	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		1	+69 Laps	16

Fastest Laps.

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[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Lap	Time		Speed		Laptime[/b]
1	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	25	14:35:45	207.785		1:16.423 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			5	14:09:35	207.571		1:16.502 
3	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	24	14:34:26	207.154		1:16.656 
4	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		18	14:26:44	205.141		1:17.408 
5	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			18	14:26:41	204.868		1:17.511 
6	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		39	14:55:04	204.605		1:17.611 
7	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			22	14:32:10	204.333		1:17.714 
8	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			67	15:32:01	204.128		1:17.792 
9	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		11	14:17:40	204.094		1:17.805 
10	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		17	14:25:33	204.000		1:17.841 
11	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		8	14:13:40	203.770		1:17.929 
12	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			4	14:08:26	203.689		1:17.960 
13	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		36	14:51:10	203.318		1:18.102 
14	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			36	14:51:00	203.316		1:18.103 
15	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		17	14:25:43	202.558		1:18.395 
16	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		32	14:46:50	198.485		1:20.004 
17	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		9	14:15:24	198.108		1:20.156 
18	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	8	14:14:08	195.858		1:21.077 
9	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	4	14:08:47	194.958		1:21.451

Pit Stops

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[b]Stop	No	Driver			Time			Lap	Time of day	Time		Total time[/b]
1	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	13	14:21:02	42.014		42.014 
1	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		15	14:22:47	20.616		20.616 
1	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		15	14:22:52	21.548		21.548 
1	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			15	14:22:59	23.615		23.615 
1	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		15	14:23:34	20.773		20.773 
1	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		16	14:24:50	21.511		21.511 
1	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	16	14:25:06	25.821		25.821 
1	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			17	14:25:22	21.305		21.305 
1	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			18	14:26:39	22.510		22.510 
1	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			18	14:26:40	19.863		19.863 
1	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		18	14:27:05	20.240		20.240 
1	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			19	14:27:58	27.230		27.230 
1	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		19	14:28:01	23.021		23.021 
1	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		19	14:28:09	24.237		24.237 
1	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		19	14:28:21	21.366		21.366 
1	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			20	14:28:46	21.305		21.305 
1	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		21	14:31:03	21.182		21.182 
1	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	25	14:35:42	23.369		23.369 
1	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	28	14:39:35	22.745		22.745 
2	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		28	14:40:50	7:09.183	7:30.731 
2	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		30	14:43:17	22.879		44.245 
2	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	30	14:45:16	22.368		1:04.382 
2	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			34	14:47:49	19.631		39.494 
2	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		33	14:48:12	20.624		41.397 
2	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		34	14:48:14	21.742		42.358 
2	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	33	14:48:55	21.612		47.433 
2	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		35	14:51:21	21.140		42.651 
2	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		37	14:52:27	20.308		40.548 
2	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			39	14:54:45	19.935		41.240 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			41	14:56:14	21.242		42.547 
2	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		42	14:59:01	20.244		41.426 
2	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			43	15:00:09	22.884		46.499 
2	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			44	15:01:19	19.038		46.268 
2	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			45	15:02:36	21.707		44.217 
2	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		46	15:03:55	21.636		44.657 
3	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		47	15:06:11	26.734		1:07.282 
2	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		48	15:06:41	22.093		46.330 
4	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		48	15:08:05	35.143		1:42.425 
3	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			51	15:10:21	20.452		59.946 
3	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		52	15:12:50	21.232		1:05.477 
3	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		51	15:13:06	20.101		1:01.498 
5	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		51	15:13:18	11.706		1:54.131 
3	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			54	15:14:56	19.318		1:00.558 
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	55	15:14:56	19.492		42.237 
3	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		53	15:16:49	19.894		1:02.545 
3	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		56	15:17:59	19.142		1:01.500 
3	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			58	15:18:35	18.987		1:01.534 
6	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		55	15:19:32	21.142		2:15.273 
3	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			58	15:19:52	32.401		1:18.669 
3	14	David Coulthard	R	ed Bull Racing		58	15:20:30	19.342		1:00.768

Mad Pierre · 3 Jul 2005 at 16:08

Was much better than the last race.

Emlyn_Dewar · 3 Jul 2005 at 16:22

That's not difficult though. This was one of the most boring GP's I have ever witnessed, absolutely nothing interesting happened. The best bit was the wrong flags at the end...

At least Silverstone will get us back to normal, let us pray we never see Magny Cours on the calendar again!

Glaucus · 3 Jul 2005 at 16:28

yet again a boring race, no tyre changes

= lack of stratagies... Too tight regulations and a poor track...

bring on 2008 and the manufacturing series. So hope it goes ahead I hate the FIA..

Phantom · 3 Jul 2005 at 16:45

AcidHell2 said:
yet again a boring race, no tyre changes = lack of stratagies... Too tight regulations and a poor track...

bring on 2008 and the manufacturing series. So hope it goes ahead I hate the FIA..

no, we need to keep all the manufacturers in one - more competition, more uncertainty... more action! (the FIA just needs to to be proactive towards the sport!)

Glaucus · 3 Jul 2005 at 16:57

Phantom said:
no, we need to keep all the manufacturers in one - more competition, more uncertainty... more action! (the FIA just needs to to be proactive towards the sport!)

No if all most of the magour teams move to the manufacturing one, then F1 would have ferrari and thus die. Then we would see decent racing again with less BS...

Duke · 3 Jul 2005 at 16:57

What a boring race

I hope they dump Magny-Cour next year.

Elzar · 3 Jul 2005 at 17:38

AcidHell2 said:
No if all most of the magour teams move to the manufacturing one, then F1 would have ferrari and thus die. Then we would see decent racing again with less BS...

What?

Why is that? You can't seriously think F1 is boring because of Ferrari's participation?

If anything we need to see the return of ground effect (like they currently have in GP2) and much more mechanical grip (wider track and full slick tyres) at the expense of current areo grip to actually allow the cars to get close enough to each other to overtake on the track rather than in the pits.

And BRING BACK THE OLD QUALIFYING! I want to see the cars and the drivers running at the absolute maximum and then having to try and drive past that maximum to get back on pole. Schumacher vs. Hakkinen qualifying sessions were great to watch.

rpstewart · 3 Jul 2005 at 17:49

Elzar said:
If anything we need to see the return of ground effect (like they currently have in GP2) and much more mechanical grip (wider track and full slick tyres) at the expense of current areo grip to actually allow the cars to get close enough to each other to overtake on the track rather than in the pits.

^^ Now there's some sense ^^

Magny-Cours is not a bad track it just doesn't work with the current cars (show me a track which does!). There are two, possibly three, overtaking spots on the circuit but with the huge emphasis on wing generated grip it's impossible to use any of them. Just look at today's race, both Schumacher and Raikkonen were stuck less than a second behind the cars in front but couldn't do anything about it because they couldn't get close enough through Estoril to get a run down to Adelaide. Now if you replace the wing generated downforce with underbody aerodynamics you can follow cars through the corners and have a go down the straights - look at both forms of Indy racing in the US for examples.

Dutch Guy · 3 Jul 2005 at 18:23

The problem is that Magny Cours itself is a nice circuit (IMO) but with the current F1 cars there is really only one overtaking possibility at the end of the straight and that's it

Flibster · 5 Jul 2005 at 09:27

Revision to the 2008 rules submission..

Just seems to be that Carbon Fibre suspension will be banned and also a clarification in the fuel tank area - tanks must be totally empty when being scruiteneered at the end of the race.

Hmmmm....One for BAR there then?

Will do the Silverstone thread later...

Simon/~Flibster

Dutch Guy · 5 Jul 2005 at 09:53

Flibster said:
Just seems to be that Carbon Fibre suspension will be banned and also a clarification in the fuel tank area - tanks must be totally empty when being scruiteneered at the end of the race.

Why no carbon fibre suspension?

And regarding the fuel tank, is that because of the weight or other?

Flibster · 5 Jul 2005 at 09:59

To stop accidents like Raikkonen's I suppose...

The fuel tank rule is due to BAR..

Simon/~Flibster