2005 Spanish Grand Prix

leaskovski · 6 May 2005 at 12:44

Velocity said:
Yup BAR this should be interesting. I don't see how the underweight problem can be anything over than cheating or them just being neglegant.

Er... basically they lied to the stewards when the cars were being checked. They emptied the tanks out and said okay now you can weigh the car. Then the stewards did that and took the car apart. Then they found the collector in the fuel tank (not cheating yet) which was still full of fuel (now they are cheating). Rules state that weight can be added to the car to bring it upto 600kg, but this wieght is not allowed to be removed from the car during the race. As full is used up, therefore it can be removed, and thus you are not allowed to use fuel as added weight.

Cheating is cheating.

I hope that all makes sense? :rolleyes:

Richard T · 6 May 2005 at 12:55

Coco said:
I'm annoyed by Ferrari being the only time not to participate in the 30 day testing limit. It's not an anti-Ferrari comment, just because a level playing field would help the interest in the sport.

ferrari dont seem to like a level paying field :rolleyes:

Emlyn_Dewar · 6 May 2005 at 12:59

I don't think it is as simple as that, the shoddy rules are as much to blame as BAR are, goes away and rakes for example...

Richard T · 6 May 2005 at 13:04

I bet if it would hae been Ferrari they wouln't of been banned............ They can do no wrong in the eyes of the fia...... :rolleyes:

leaskovski · 6 May 2005 at 13:06

Emlyn_Dewar said:
I don't think it is as simple as that, the shoddy rules are as much to blame as BAR are, goes away and rakes for example...

Oh and here is a very informative link on the issue. Its got pics as well...

http://www.formula1.com/insight/technical_analysis/team/2005/2/111.html

Emlyn_Dewar · 6 May 2005 at 13:18

Nick Fry: It’s the harshness of the penalty, but its more than that. The fia have very nicely reduced their claim from fraud and deception to just lack of transparency. Which is good, we acknowledge that. But on the other hand, the severity of the penalty makes it looks like we’re guilty, which we’re not, which is why we’re fighting back so hard.

So BAR get massively punished for the FIA not having clear enough rules layed out... Yep, well done FIA... I don't know why but they seem intent on crippling the sport to the extent that it will die. Roll on the GPWC I say!

Richard T · 6 May 2005 at 13:53

Emlyn_Dewar said:
So BAR get massively punished for the FIA not having clear enough rules layed out... Yep, well done FIA... I don't know why but they seem intent on crippling the sport to the extent that it will die. Roll on the GPWC I say!

I think Honda's involvment in the GWPC has a LOT to do with it

It stinks the whole sorry saga

Emlyn_Dewar · 6 May 2005 at 13:57

Well, not to worry, the excitment that was stolen by BAR's banning should be replaced by a Jordan Minardi race, yay! Very close times from those 2!
Racing all the way down the field? I live in hope!

Richard T · 6 May 2005 at 14:07

clv101 said:
If they just banned the car what's Jenson going to do? Ask Williams if he can borrow a car for the race!?

BAR deserve all the get, F1 lives and dies by the rules. The most important thing is to field a legal car, if they can't do that then they don't deserve to race.

No he doesn't need to borrow a car from Frank....other teams that have had technical infringements have lost alll manufacturers points and as the driver is not directly involved in the design and build of the car they have been able to keep their points...remember the Ferrari bendy wings??

I think the FIA should have let BAR race but not be able to get any points (as thats what the teams care about is the manufacturers chamionship) and let the 2 drivers race for points

Emlyn_Dewar · 6 May 2005 at 14:14

Friday Free Practice 2.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Time[/b]
1 	35 	Pedro de la Rosa 	McLaren-Mercedes 	1:15.062
2 	38 	Ricardo Zonta 		Toyota 			1:16.220
3 	8 	Nick Heidfeld 		Williams-BMW 		1:16.527
4 	9 	Kimi Räikkönen 		McLaren-Mercedes 	1:16.586
5 	16 	Jarno Trulli 		Toyota 			1:16.653
6 	14 	David Coulthard 	Red Bull Racing 	1:16.797
7 	6 	Giancarlo Fisichella 	Renault 		1:17.200
8 	17 	Ralf Schumacher 	Toyota 			1:17.264
9 	5 	Fernando Alonso 	Renault 		1:17.356
10 	10 	Juan Pablo Montoya 	McLaren-Mercedes 	1:17.555
11 	2 	Rubens Barrichello 	Ferrari 		1:17.702
12 	12 	Felipe Massa 		Sauber-Petronas 	1:17.931
13 	1 	Michael Schumacher 	Ferrari 		1:18.042
14 	11 	Jacques Villeneuve 	Sauber-Petronas 	1:18.336
15 	15 	Vitantonio Liuzzi 	Red Bull Racing 	1:18.444
16 	37 	Christian Klien 	Red Bull Racing 	1:18.802
17 	19 	Narain Karthikeyan 	Jordan-Toyota 		1:18.858
18 	39 	Robert Doornbos 	Jordan-Toyota 		1:19.125
19 	18 	Tiago Monteiro 		Jordan-Toyota 		1:19.140
20 	21 	Christijan Albers 	Minardi-Cosworth 	1:19.581
21 	20 	Patrick Friesacher 	Minardi-Cosworth 	1:20.686
22 	7 	Mark Webber 		Williams-BMW

Sector Times - Free Practice 2

Code:

[b]Sector 1[/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1 	35 	Pedro de la Rosa 	22.412	
2 	38 	Ricardo Zonta 		22.505	
3 	8 	Nick Heidfeld 		22.612	
4 	9 	Kimi Räikkönen 		22.707	
5 	10 	Juan Pablo Montoya 	22.746	
6 	16 	Jarno Trulli 		22.809	
7 	14 	David Coulthard 	22.928	
8 	5 	Fernando Alonso 	22.928	
9 	6 	Giancarlo Fisichella 	22.943	
10 	17 	Ralf Schumacher 	23.024
11 	1 	Michael Schumacher 	23.067	
12 	2 	Rubens Barrichello 	23.084	
13 	12 	Felipe Massa 		23.134
14 	11 	Jacques Villeneuve 	23.252	
15 	37 	Christian Klien 	23.295	
16 	15 	Vitantonio Liuzzi 	23.329	
17 	18 	Tiago Monteiro 		23.386
18 	39 	Robert Doornbos 	23.421
19 	21 	Christijan Albers 	23.430	
20 	19 	Narain Karthikeyan 	23.431	
21 	20 	Patrick Friesacher 	23.800

Code:

[b]Sector 2 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1 	35 	Pedro de la Rosa 	30.091
2 	8 	Nick Heidfeld 		30.502
3 	16 	Jarno Trulli 		30.585	
4 	38 	Ricardo Zonta 		30.601	
5 	9 	Kimi Räikkönen 		30.684	
6 	6 	Giancarlo Fisichella 	30.753
7 	14 	David Coulthard 	30.757
8 	5 	Fernando Alonso 	30.827
9 	10 	Juan Pablo Montoya 	30.891	
10 	17 	Ralf Schumacher 	30.897	
11 	2 	Rubens Barrichello 	31.063
12 	15 	Vitantonio Liuzzi 	31.115
13 	1 	Michael Schumacher 	31.143
14 	12 	Felipe Massa 		31.159	
15 	37 	Christian Klien 	31.303	
16 	19 	Narain Karthikeyan 	31.445	
17 	11 	Jacques Villeneuve 	31.460	
18 	39 	Robert Doornbos 	31.540
19 	18 	Tiago Monteiro 		31.692
20 	21 	Christijan Albers 	31.834	
21 	20 	Patrick Friesacher 	32.282

Code:

[b]Sector 3 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1 	35 	Pedro de la Rosa 	22.559
2 	38 	Ricardo Zonta 		22.927	
3 	14 	David Coulthard 	23.093	
4 	16 	Jarno Trulli 		23.182	
5 	9 	Kimi Räikkönen 		23.195	
6 	17 	Ralf Schumacher 	23.246	
7 	8 	Nick Heidfeld 		23.252
8 	6 	Giancarlo Fisichella 	23.370	
9 	5 	Fernando Alonso 	23.387	
10 	12 	Felipe Massa 		23.400	
11 	10 	Juan Pablo Montoya 	23.413	
12 	2 	Rubens Barrichello 	23.490	
13 	11 	Jacques Villeneuve 	23.546	
14 	1 	Michael Schumacher 	23.585
15 	15 	Vitantonio Liuzzi 	23.690
16 	18 	Tiago Monteiro 		23.797	
17 	19 	Narain Karthikeyan 	23.909
18 	37 	Christian Klien 	23.978
19 	39 	Robert Doornbos 	23.988
20 	21 	Christijan Albers 	24.227	
21 	20 	Patrick Friesacher 	24.340

Speed Trap

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time		Speed[/b]
1 	20 	Patrick Friesacher 	14:38:11 	329.6	
2 	21 	Christijan Albers 	14:50:40 	327.1
3 	11 	Jacques Villeneuve 	14:55:23 	326.3	
4 	5 	Fernando Alonso 	14:22:29 	326.2	
5 	37 	Christian Klien 	14:36:07 	326.1	
6 	10 	Juan Pablo Montoya 	14:53:42 	326.1
7 	9 	Kimi Räikkönen 		14:08:22 	326.0	
8 	6 	Giancarlo Fisichella 	14:50:45 	324.6	
9 	14 	David Coulthard 	14:20:42 	323.9
10 	35 	Pedro de la Rosa 	14:38:56 	323.5
11 	38 	Ricardo Zonta 		14:59:22 	323.0	
12 	2 	Rubens Barrichello 	14:59:47 	322.9	
13 	18 	Tiago Monteiro 		14:43:33 	322.1
14 	17 	Ralf Schumacher 	14:53:57 	321.5
15 	39 	Robert Doornbos 	14:58:23 	320.4
16 	8 	Nick Heidfeld 		14:13:35 	320.0	
17 	12 	Felipe Massa 		14:21:01 	319.8	
18 	16 	Jarno Trulli 		14:45:36 	319.8
19 	19 	Narain Karthikeyan 	14:50:42 	319.7
20 	1 	Michael Schumacher 	14:50:07 	318.5
21 	15 	Vitantonio Liuzzi 	14:53:55 	317.0

Emlyn_Dewar · 6 May 2005 at 14:41

Minardi's are very fast in a straight line! Shame they aren't as fast anywhere else...

Emlyn_Dewar · 6 May 2005 at 18:12

Unlucky for Montoya, pushing a little too hard, his shoulder is still fine though... The car on the other hand...

Memphis · 6 May 2005 at 18:15

Emlyn_Dewar said:
Unlucky for Montoya, pushing a little too hard, his shoulder is still fine though... The car on the other hand...

Now that's a great way to make your GP return!

Richard T · 7 May 2005 at 11:05

ouch....sure Naseem wasn't driving it??

Richard T · 7 May 2005 at 12:47

hmm nice and close qually sesh.....

Martin Brundle said it was the fans that lose out on the BAR situation the most and I agree with him totally.

Coco · 7 May 2005 at 12:51

You can't fail to take your hat off to Trulli & his hot lap pace.

Coooome on Alonso !!!

Richard T · 7 May 2005 at 12:55

cheer up kimi........... miserable sod!

Richard T · 7 May 2005 at 13:01

Very interesting what Coultard just said about BAR and what they got the ban for

I think the race is gonna be good.... watch this space!!!

clv101 · 7 May 2005 at 13:10

My money is on Kimi for the win on Sunday, got 7/2 odds before Q1.

Emlyn_Dewar · 7 May 2005 at 13:44

Qualifying 1 Results

Code:

[b]Pos  No  	 Driver  		Team  			Time[/b]
1 	16 	Jarno Trulli 		Toyota 			1:14.795
2 	5 	Fernando Alonso 	Renault 		1:14.811
3	9	Kimi Räikkönen 		McLaren-Mercedes 	1:14.819
4 	17 	Ralf Schumacher 	Toyota 			1:14.870	
5 	8 	Nick Heidfeld 		Williams-BMW 		1:15.038	
6 	7 	Mark Webber 		Williams-BMW 		1:15.042	
7 	1 	Michael Schumacher 	Ferrari 		1:15.398	
8 	6 	Giancarlo Fisichella 	Renault 		1:15.601	
9 	2 	Rubens Barrichello 	Ferrari 		1:15.746	
10 	14 	David Coulthard 	Red Bull Racing 	1:15.795	
11 	12 	Felipe Massa 		Sauber-Petronas 	1:15.863	
12 	10 	Juan Pablo Montoya 	McLaren-Mercedes 	1:15.902
13 	15 	Vitantonio Liuzzi 	Red Bull Racing 	1:16.288
14 	11 	Jacques Villeneuve 	Sauber-Petronas 	1:16.794
15 	19 	Narain Karthikeyan 	Jordan-Toyota 		1:18.557
16 	18 	Tiago Monteiro 		Jordan-Toyota 		1:19.040
17 	21 	Christijan Albers 	Minardi-Cosworth 	1:19.563
18 	20 	Patrick Friesacher 	Minardi-Cosworth 	1:20.306