2005 Turkish Grand Prix

Flibster · 21 Aug 2005 at 14:53

vanpeebles said:
that turn 8 needs a real manly name, thunder curve or something

Skidmark Central?

Richard T · 21 Aug 2005 at 14:53

someone suggested buckaroo...seems a good name to me as you need to hang on

vanpeebles · 21 Aug 2005 at 14:54

Flibster said:
Skidmark Central?

thats a good name cos it accounts for the marks on the track and state of the drivers undercrackers

Richard T · 21 Aug 2005 at 14:54

Flibster said:
Skidmark Central?

dont think so.......

rpstewart · 21 Aug 2005 at 14:56

Well that was a bit of a shocker - a race on a new track that's actually worth watching.

Wonder what the second MS incident is, the altercation with Fisi?

Richard T · 21 Aug 2005 at 14:57

I wanna get the ps2 game now to race on that track

Flibster · 21 Aug 2005 at 14:58

rpstewart said:
Well that was a bit of a shocker - a race on a new track that's actually worth watching.

Wonder what the second MS incident is, the altercation with Fisi?

Yup.

Seems like Tilke has got the Designatrack V2 software n ow - which comes out with something interesting...

As for the incidents - Driving into Webber, and pushing Fisichella off the track when being lapped.

As always - put M.Schumacher under pressure - and he cracks...

Simon/~Flibster

vanpeebles · 21 Aug 2005 at 14:59

Flibster said:
Yup.

As always - put M.Schumacher under pressure - and he cracks...

Simon/~Flibster

yep thats true! he doesnt like it up him!

Richard T · 21 Aug 2005 at 15:07

its always been the case

vanpeebles · 21 Aug 2005 at 15:27

enjoyed that race, was damn good! good circuit that! thanks flibster, good host as always

Joe T · 21 Aug 2005 at 16:05

vanpeebles said:
enjoyed that race, was damn good! good circuit that! thanks flibster, good host as always

Agreed.

Fire 1 · 21 Aug 2005 at 17:31

Webber was lapped when passing MS. How come when overtaking you are only allowed to make one move yet if you are following like Webber was you can go to the inside, then the outdside then back to the inside again?

MS didn't force Fisi off track. Fisi just drove off the track.

Overtaking was good when the tyres were cold but after then it was back to normal.

vanpeebles · 21 Aug 2005 at 17:40

you must be blind, schumacher drove into fishy and also tried to cut webber up. time the old pa calls it a day i think

Fire 1 · 21 Aug 2005 at 18:25

No my eyes work fine thanks.

Richard T · 21 Aug 2005 at 19:07

vanpeebles said:
enjoyed that race, was damn good! good circuit that! thanks flibster, good host as always

Senconded!!! Good stuff Mr Flib

Emlyn_Dewar · 22 Aug 2005 at 08:01

Flibster said:
Is Allen implying that Montoya is an arse?

He probably was, but then again, James Allen is a complete tool.

Dutch Guy · 22 Aug 2005 at 08:31

Wow, that was an interesting race, excellent stuff.

About the Webber/Schumi incident, wasn't Webber a lap down on Schumi at that time?

Flibster · 22 Aug 2005 at 09:17

Race Results.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Laps	Time		Grid	Points[/b]
1	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	58	1:24:34.454	1	10 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			58	+18.6 secs	3	8 
3	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	58	+19.6 secs	4	6 
4	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			58	+37.9 secs	2	5 
5	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		58	+39.3 secs	13	4 
6	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			58	+55.4 secs	5	3 
7	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		58	+69.2 secs	12	2 
8	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		58	+71.6 secs	10	1 
9	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		58	+109.987 secs	20	 
10	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			57	+1 Lap		11	 
11	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		57	+1 Lap		16	 
12	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			57	+1 Lap		9	 
13	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	55	+3 Laps		17	 
14	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		55	+3 Laps		18	 
15	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		55	+3 Laps		14	 
Ret	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	48	Retired		15	 
Ret	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			32	Retired		19	 
Ret	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		29	Tyre		6	 
Ret	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		28	Engine		8	 
Ret	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		20	Tyre		7

Fastest Laps.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Lap	Time		Speed		Laptime[/b]
1	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	39	16:00:24	226.693		1:24.770 
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	40	16:01:41	226.000		1:25.030 
3	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			58	16:28:28	224.694		1:25.524 
4	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			34	15:53:39	224.484		1:25.604 
5	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		58	16:28:49	223.998		1:25.790 
6	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		54	16:23:38	223.820		1:25.858 
7	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			52	16:20:20	222.989		1:26.178 
8	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		58	16:29:21	222.483		1:26.374 
9	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		58	16:29:19	222.372		1:26.417 
10	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		27	15:44:11	222.123		1:26.514 
11	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			45	16:10:21	221.813		1:26.635 
12	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		12	15:23:11	221.414		1:26.791 
13	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		44	16:09:20	220.966		1:26.967 
14	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			21	16:02:07	220.905		1:26.991 
15	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			38	16:00:37	220.819		1:27.025 
16	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		25	15:41:38	219.990		1:27.353 
17	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		50	16:21:05	215.834		1:29.035 
18	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	53	16:25:25	215.364		1:29.229 
19	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		42	16:08:28	215.227		1:29.286 
20	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	13	15:23:39	214.972		1:29.392

Pit Stops

Code:

[b]Stop	No	Driver			Time			Lap	Time of day	Time		Total time[/b]
1	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		1	15:05:25	25.340		25.340 
1	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		5	15:11:21	26.098		26.098 
1	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		9	15:18:17	30.901		30.901 
1	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			13	15:22:33	27.266		27.266 
2	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		13	15:23:33	26.837		52.935 
1	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			14	15:24:03	36.962		36.962 
2	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		13	15:24:44	42.115		1:13.016 
1	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			14	15:24:50	59.003		59.003 
1	8	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		14	15:25:06	28.770		28.770 
1	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	15	15:26:42	44.474		44.474 
2	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			15	15:27:43	25:22.614	26:21.617 
1	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	16	15:28:09	23.630		23.630 
1	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		17	15:29:59	24.714		24.714 
2	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	17	15:29:59	26.756		50.386 
1	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			18	15:30:00	27.064		27.064 
1	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			18	15:30:50	27.500		27.500 
1	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	21	15:34:10	27.808		27.808 
1	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		21	15:34:35	28.527		28.527 
1	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	22	15:35:24	27.581		27.581 
1	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		23	15:37:38	26.503		26.503 
1	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		23	15:38:06	26.496		26.496 
1	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		24	15:39:05	25.938		25.938 
1	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			24	15:39:15	26.035		26.035 
3	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	25	15:42:45	2:31.886	3:22.272 
1	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		29	15:46:41	28.938		28.938 
2	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		28	15:46:49	50.742		1:19.512 
2	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		30	15:50:03	24.526		49.240 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			34	15:53:18	29.505		56.771 
2	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	34	15:56:06	30.554		1:15.028 
2	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	41	16:03:16	24.983		52.791 
2	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			40	16:03:32	23.795		51.295 
3	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		39	16:04:13	27.116		1:46.628 
3	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			23	16:05:02	25.042		26:46.659 
4	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	39	16:06:56	1:43.242	5:05.514 
2	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			43	16:06:57	23.325		50.389 
2	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		44	16:08:41	23.991		50.494 
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	45	16:08:49	23.384		50.965 
3	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		43	16:10:00	23.750		1:12.990 
2	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		45	16:10:06	23.189		49.127 
2	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		45	16:10:48	23.322		49.818 
2	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			46	16:11:48	22.947		48.982 
2	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		47	16:12:43	23.092		51.619

Flibster · 22 Aug 2005 at 09:24

Dutch Guy said:
Wow, that was an interesting race, excellent stuff.

About the Webber/Schumi incident, wasn't Webber a lap down on Schumi at that time?

Yup. But you are allowed to unlap yourself - Schumacher was around a second a lap slower than Webber at that point so was causing Webber to lose out. It's only holding up the leaders that you can be black flagged for *stupid rule that one...*

It was a legitimate move.

Simon/~Flibster

Flibster · 22 Aug 2005 at 09:40

Michael shut the door says Webber

A series of so far unexplained right rear tyre failures put pay to the efforts of Mark Webber and his BMW Williams teammate, Nick Heidfeld, in Sunday’s inaugural Turkish Grand Prix in Istanbul after both drivers were forced to retire after suffering two such failures each.

Twenty-eight year old Webber had lost two positions to Red Bull Racing duo David Coulthard and Christian Klien at the start after Sauber’s Felipe Massa almost slid into the back of Heidfeld as they raced into the first corner, and forcing Webber to take avoiding action. However, the Australian quickly redressed the balance, passing Coulthard at turn 12 on lap three before doing likewise to Klien in the same spot a lap later to re-emerge in his original grid position of seventh.

Mark moved up another place when Heidfeld’s Williams FW27 suffered a right rear failure and he had to pit for a replacement. Fortunately it happened close to the pit lane entry but when Webber suffered the same fate two laps later, he had to complete a whole lap before making it back to the pits. These premature pit stops left the Williams pair way down the order with Heidfeld 16th and Webber 20th.

Matters then went from bad to worse on lap 14 as Webber began to catch Michael Schumacher at a rapid rate of knots. The world champion moved across and squeezed Webber into the braking area to turn three but Webber refused to be intimidated by the Ferrari driver and the two made contact at the apex and both had to pit for replacement parts. Webber returned to the race, albeit only briefly as a second tyre failure a few laps later spelt the end of his eventful Turkish Grand Prix. He was joined shortly afterwards by Heidfeld after he suffered his second tyre failure.

“Despite what happened, I really liked the track and I felt I got on top of it well,” Mark said. “It’s a great, new F1 venue and full marks to the organisers. I can’t comment on the tyre problems which affected our team because they are still being investigated but the incident with Michael happened when I caught him after my first stop. I had been following and closing on him for three or four laps as he was very slow. I was a lap down but I had to get on my own afternoon and I was losing a lot of time behind him. Generally when you come up to un-lap yourself against someone slower, they don’t normally weave around in the braking area as Michael seemed to. I got alongside him on the brakes into turn 12 but when I got closer to the apex, I had to try and pull back out of the move as Michael was clearly shutting the door on me but it was too late.”