2005 Turkish Grand Prix

Flibster · 17 Aug 2005 at 14:05

Just found this *slow day at work...*

Ronspeak in action...

http://mimimama.blogspot.com/2005/06/radio-log.html

rpstewart · 17 Aug 2005 at 14:29

ROFL, you have to appreciate Ron's ability to use 10 words when one would suffice

Dutch Guy · 18 Aug 2005 at 07:43

Is that for real :confused:

I doubt he talks to his drivers like that, kinda stupid if you ask me.

Flibster · 18 Aug 2005 at 08:05

Naaah - it's made up but thats a good example "Ronspeak" - as rpstewart said - why use 1 word when 10 will do.

It's all down to him thinking very carefully about what he's going to say - you notice that he stops and thinks in interviews a lot.

Simon/~Flibster

355F1512TR · 18 Aug 2005 at 11:21

I'm actually going to be able to watch this one live

Shame the track looks slightly rubbish. It's like when you have a load of scalextric track and just slap it together any way possible. There appears to be no flow to any of the corners, they are just individual elements linked by bits of straight

Loved the Ronspeak though

rpstewart · 18 Aug 2005 at 11:35

355F1512TR said:
Shame the track looks slightly rubbish. It's like when you have a load of scalextric track and just slap it together any way possible. There appears to be no flow to any of the corners, they are just individual elements linked by bits of straight

Welcome to the Herman Tilke world - for some reason he has a monopoly on new circuit design and only comes up with circuits full of constant radius 2nd gear corners that are great for TV but naff for racing.

What's very interesting is if you look at the results of the FIA survey, the fan's favourite tracks are the old "proper" circuits - Spa, Monza, Suzuka etc. What is lacking from a lot of the modern tracks is elevation change - look at Magny Cours for example, it's utterly dull apart from the big dip in the middle of the Imola chicane.

Dutch Guy · 18 Aug 2005 at 12:03

rpstewart said:
What is lacking from a lot of the modern tracks is elevation change - look at Magny Cours for example, it's utterly dull apart from the big dip in the middle of the Imola chicane.

True to a point, with the Hungaroring being the exception, that track is horrible even with the 70m elevation change

Flibster · 18 Aug 2005 at 12:21

But - this track has elevation changes - up to a 7% gradient at points iirc...

But - the track is still not finished yet...

Dutch Guy · 18 Aug 2005 at 12:56

Flibster said:
But - the track is still not finished yet...

Cool, is there an offroad section :confused:

Flibster · 19 Aug 2005 at 09:50

More news...

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=95487 said:
2006 to be 'interim' BMW year

Those expecting BMW's new works formula one team to win the world championship next year are likely to be disappointed. Even Mario Theissen, motor sport director and probable 2006 team principal of the new Sauber project, told grandprix.com that full integration takes more than a moment. "2006 will be an interim year," the German admitted.

The 'ramping up' will begin at Hinwil, Sauber's existing HQ. BMW plan to erect new buildings, hire new people and simply 'learn' about owning a whole grand prix team. Theissen added: "It may take 18 months or something like that, so for that reason next year will be a ... start up year."

Further down BMW's job list is to select a replacement for Ferrari bound Felipe Massa, and to decide whether Jacques Villeneuve's existing Sauber deal should be honoured. Dr Theissen said the driver factor would be considered 'soon -- maybe at the end of August.'

http://www.gp2005.com/news/controller.php?lang=en&theme=default&team_id=0&month=8&seasonid=2&nextMode=GpNewsForm&news_id=13767 said:
Security tightened in Turkey

When drivers get this morning’s opening practice session underway in less than an hour, they will do so in the knowledge that the organizers of the inaugural Turkish Grand Prix have doubled their original amount of security at the Istanbul circuit.

In light of the recent bombings in London at the time of the British Grand Prix, it was decided that 4000 unarmed security guards would join 2000 parlimentary Jandarma police and 800 city police members to ensure everything went smoothly. Plain clothes officers will also be present mingling with the crowd.

“We doubled it after the British Grand Prix, or rather what happened that week,” Turkish Autosport Federation president Mumtaz Tahincioglu told Reuters “What has happened around the world in the last few months, of course it figures that you need to do something extra. We have discussed this with the governor of Istanbul, the mayor and the prime minister of course and all together we decided that the standard security measurements we had planned needed to be doubled. Initially the private security company had supplied us with 2,000 people. We increased that to 4,000.”

However, he did confirm that there had been no specific threats made to the weekend’s activities….

“The measures taken here really should be enough to make sure that everything goes according to plan and I myself, along with my colleagues, feel very comfortable with all the measures

Nicely done Kimi...

Despite stern warnings from his McLaren team, formula one title challenger Kimi Raikkonen has returned to the tabloids -- for all the wrong reasons.

According to a Finnish publication, the 25-year-old - so often snapped in a drunken haze - is now in the middle of a marriage crisis. Kimi was allegedly caught, by wife Jenni, in bed with another woman.

The magazine '7 Paeivaeae' ('7 Days') reported that after a recent night out in Helsinki, Raikkonen invited four women back to his house. ''Kimi was drunk,'' 19 year old Alexandra told the magazine, ''telling dirty jokes.''

At 7am the next morning, Finland-born Kimi was discovered in bed, by his 24 year old 'Miss Scandinavia' wife, with a woman called Dora.

Jenni, who called off a scheduled appearance in Istanbul on Thursday, issued a stern 'no comment' to Germany's Bild newspaper tabloid.

A McLaren spokesman, meanwhile, said the team 'does not respond to rumours.'

rpstewart · 19 Aug 2005 at 11:18

And who says Kimi's boring!

Mind you it's not impaired his driving, second in first practice behind Friday specialist Pedro de la Rosa.

Richard T · 19 Aug 2005 at 18:18

Dutch Guy said:
TBH I'm quite excited about this track, lets hope there is plently of overtaking in turn 12

agreed.... I'm looking forward to it a lot

Richard T · 19 Aug 2005 at 18:25

yikes at the toyota's pace...gotta be runnin' light me thinks

Turkish GP free practice session two times

1. ZONTA Toyota 1m25.583s
2. MONTOYA McLaren 1m26.196s
3. DE LA ROSA McLaren 1m26.525s
4. RAIKKONEN McLaren 1m27.274s
5. BUTTON BAR 1m27.346s
6. LIUZZI Red Bull 1m27.578s
7. ALONSO Renault 1m27.579s
8. FISICHELLA Renault 1m27.673s
9. TRULLI Toyota 1m27.964s
10. SATO BAR 1m28.081s
11. WEBBER Williams 1m28.120s
12. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m28.235s
13. M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1m28.293s
14. VILLENEUVE Sauber 1m28.404s
15. BARRICHELLO Ferrari 1m28.460s
16. R.SCHUMACHER Toyota 1m28.641s
17. MASSA Sauber 1m28.681s
18. KLIEN Red Bull 1m28.828s
19. HEIDFELD Williams 1m28.959s
20. MONTEIRO Jordan 1m30.626s
21. DOORNBOS Minardi 1m30.628s
22. ALBERS Minardi 1m30.730s
23. KIESA Jordan 1m30.884s
24. KARTHIKEYAN Jordan 1m30.899s
25. TOCCACELO Minardi 1m32.813s

rpstewart · 19 Aug 2005 at 19:04

ashtray_head said:
yikes at the toyota's pace...gotta be runnin' light me thinks

Zonta's the Friday test driver so isn't subject to the same rules as the race drivers. They can change his engine as often as they like so no need to look after it, he also has access to far more tyres than the race drivers so doesn't have to look after them.

That said I agree, he's probably running a bit light given that he regularly ends up about 0.75s behind Wurz/de la Rosa on Fridays.

Richard T · 19 Aug 2005 at 19:46

rpstewart said:
Zonta's the Friday test driver so isn't subject to the same rules as the race drivers. They can change his engine as often as they like so no need to look after it, he also has access to far more tyres than the race drivers so doesn't have to look after them.

That said I agree, he's probably running a bit light given that he regularly ends up about 0.75s behind Wurz/de la Rosa on Fridays.

even so .... is the toyota THAT fast??

Flibster · 19 Aug 2005 at 19:51

Friday Free Practice 1.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	McLaren-Mercedes	1:27.882		
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	1:28.453		
3	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		1:28.765		
4	38	Ricardo Zonta		Toyota			1:28.810		
5	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		1:28.968		
6	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	1:29.183		
7	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			1:29.283		
8	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			1:29.766		
9	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		1:30.050		
10	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			1:30.106		
11	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		1:30.368		
12	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			1:30.563		
13	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			1:30.785		
14	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		1:30.847		
15	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		1:30.847		
16	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		1:31.008		
17	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			1:31.294		
18	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		1:31.306		
19	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Red Bull Racing		1:31.353		
20	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		1:32.147		
21	39	Nicolas Kiesa		Jordan-Toyota		1:32.501		
22	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		1:32.886		
23	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	1:33.474		
24	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	1:35.367		
25	40	Enrico Toccacelo	Minardi-Cosworth	1:36.411

Sector Times - Free Practice 1

Code:

[b]Sector 1[/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	32.890 
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		32.965 
3	3	Jenson Button		33.066 
4	7	Mark Webber		33.066 
5	38	Ricardo Zonta		33.211 
6	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	33.408 
7	5	Fernando Alonso		33.445 
8	8	Nick Heidfeld		33.504 
9	15	Christian Klien		33.560 
10	1	Michael Schumacher	33.561 
11	4	Takuma Sato		33.645 
12	17	Ralf Schumacher		33.691 
13	14	David Coulthard		33.816 
14	12	Felipe Massa		33.844 
15	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	33.956 
16	2	Rubens Barrichello	33.971 
17	11	Jacques Villeneuve	33.971 
18	16	Jarno Trulli		33.984 
19	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	34.072 
20	39	Nicolas Kiesa		34.199 
21	19	Narain Karthikeyan	34.325 
22	18	Tiago Monteiro		34.445 
23	21	Christijan Albers	35.127 
24	20	Robert Doornbos		35.274 
25	40	Enrico Toccacelo	35.719

Code:

[b]Sector 2 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	30.758 
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		31.147 
3	7	Mark Webber		31.154 
4	38	Ricardo Zonta		31.159 
5	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	31.225 
6	3	Jenson Button		31.272 
7	4	Takuma Sato		31.658 
8	5	Fernando Alonso		31.680 
9	1	Michael Schumacher	31.706 
10	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	31.886 
11	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	31.902 
12	8	Nick Heidfeld		31.927 
13	12	Felipe Massa		31.952 
14	11	Jacques Villeneuve	31.991 
15	16	Jarno Trulli		32.007 
16	14	David Coulthard		32.017 
17	17	Ralf Schumacher		32.178 
18	15	Christian Klien		32.205 
19	2	Rubens Barrichello	32.262 
20	19	Narain Karthikeyan	32.854 
21	18	Tiago Monteiro		32.941 
22	21	Christijan Albers	32.970 
23	39	Nicolas Kiesa		33.060 
24	20	Robert Doornbos		34.549 
25	40	Enrico Toccacelo	34.933

Code:

[b]Sector 3 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	24.028 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		24.064 
3	38	Ricardo Zonta		24.093 
4	9	Kimi Räikkönen		24.157 
5	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	24.264 
6	7	Mark Webber		24.347 
7	17	Ralf Schumacher		24.457 
8	3	Jenson Button		24.465 
9	1	Michael Schumacher	24.499 
10	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	24.550 
11	12	Felipe Massa		24.572 
12	11	Jacques Villeneuve	24.606 
13	16	Jarno Trulli		24.642 
14	2	Rubens Barrichello	24.706 
15	15	Christian Klien		24.716 
16	4	Takuma Sato		24.747 
17	14	David Coulthard		24.758 
18	18	Tiago Monteiro		24.761 
19	8	Nick Heidfeld		24.782 
20	39	Nicolas Kiesa		24.912 
21	19	Narain Karthikeyan	24.934 
22	21	Christijan Albers	25.028 
23	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	25.165 
24	20	Robert Doornbos		25.339 
25	40	Enrico Toccacelo	25.759

Speed Trap

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time		Speed[/b]
1	5	Fernando Alonso		11:57:29	325.7 
2	38	Ricardo Zonta		11:57:38	322.0 
3	35	Pedro de la Rosa	11:33:30	318.0 
4	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	11:56:44	317.3 
5	12	Felipe Massa		11:56:24	316.4 
6	3	Jenson Button		11:58:44	315.6 
7	9	Kimi Räikkönen		12:02:17	314.9 
8	16	Jarno Trulli		11:59:45	313.9 
9	7	Mark Webber		11:59:03	313.0 
10	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	11:57:27	312.4 
11	14	David Coulthard		12:01:56	312.1 
12	15	Christian Klien		11:57:58	311.5 
13	18	Tiago Monteiro		11:58:30	311.5 
14	17	Ralf Schumacher		12:00:26	311.5 
15	39	Nicolas Kiesa		11:38:54	310.7 
16	21	Christijan Albers	11:57:05	308.8 
17	11	Jacques Villeneuve	12:01:06	307.2 
18	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	12:00:07	307.0 
19	1	Michael Schumacher	11:56:50	306.9 
20	19	Narain Karthikeyan	11:57:55	305.3 
21	8	Nick Heidfeld		11:59:39	304.9 
22	2	Rubens Barrichello	11:46:17	302.0 
23	4	Takuma Sato		11:42:43	300.8 
24	40	Enrico Toccacelo	11:44:45	300.5 
25	20	Robert Doornbos		11:26:20	297.4

Flibster · 19 Aug 2005 at 19:52

Friday Free Practice 2.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Time[/b]
1	38	Ricardo Zonta		Toyota			1:25.583		
2	35	Pedro de la Rosa	McLaren-Mercedes	1:26.196		
3	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	1:26.525		
4	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	1:27.274		
5	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		1:27.346		
6	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Red Bull Racing		1:27.578		
7	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			1:27.579		
8	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			1:27.673		
9	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			1:27.964		
10	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		1:28.081		
11	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		1:28.120		
12	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		1:28.235		
13	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			1:28.293		
14	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		1:28.404		
15	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			1:28.460		
16	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			1:28.641		
17	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		1:28.681		
18	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		1:28.828		
19	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		1:28.959		
20	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		1:30.626		
21	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	1:30.628		
22	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	1:30.730		
23	39	Nicolas Kiesa		Jordan-Toyota		1:30.884		
24	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		1:30.899		
25	40	Enrico Toccacelo	Minardi-Cosworth	1:32.813

Sector Times - Free Practice 2

Code:

[b]Sector 1[/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	31.954 
2	38	Ricardo Zonta		32.001 
3	9	Kimi Räikkönen		32.393 
4	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	32.432 
5	3	Jenson Button		32.596 
6	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	32.655 
7	7	Mark Webber		32.771 
8	5	Fernando Alonso		32.831 
9	17	Ralf Schumacher		32.837 
10	2	Rubens Barrichello	32.915 
11	1	Michael Schumacher	32.929 
12	16	Jarno Trulli		32.975 
13	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	32.975 
14	14	David Coulthard		32.997 
15	11	Jacques Villeneuve	33.005 
16	4	Takuma Sato		33.013 
17	15	Christian Klien		33.055 
18	12	Felipe Massa		33.111 
19	8	Nick Heidfeld		33.195 
20	18	Tiago Monteiro		33.545 
21	39	Nicolas Kiesa		33.681 
22	19	Narain Karthikeyan	33.797 
23	21	Christijan Albers	33.867 
24	20	Robert Doornbos		33.883 
25	40	Enrico Toccacelo	34.770

Code:

[b]Sector 2 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	38	Ricardo Zonta		29.789 
2	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	30.284 
3	35	Pedro de la Rosa	30.361 
4	16	Jarno Trulli		30.595 
5	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	30.725 
6	3	Jenson Button		30.729 
7	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	30.732 
8	9	Kimi Räikkönen		30.780 
9	5	Fernando Alonso		30.843 
10	4	Takuma Sato		30.900 
11	12	Felipe Massa		30.960 
12	14	David Coulthard		30.984 
13	1	Michael Schumacher	31.034 
14	11	Jacques Villeneuve	31.052 
15	7	Mark Webber		31.061 
16	17	Ralf Schumacher		31.185 
17	15	Christian Klien		31.212 
18	8	Nick Heidfeld		31.273 
19	2	Rubens Barrichello	31.364 
20	20	Robert Doornbos		32.053 
21	18	Tiago Monteiro		32.160 
22	21	Christijan Albers	32.162 
23	19	Narain Karthikeyan	32.330 
24	39	Nicolas Kiesa		32.449 
25	40	Enrico Toccacelo	32.752

Code:

[b]Sector 3 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	35	Pedro de la Rosa	23.698 
2	38	Ricardo Zonta		23.793 
3	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	23.809 
4	5	Fernando Alonso		23.849 
5	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	23.897 
6	9	Kimi Räikkönen		23.946 
7	3	Jenson Button		24.021 
8	1	Michael Schumacher	24.081 
9	4	Takuma Sato		24.085 
10	7	Mark Webber		24.128 
11	14	David Coulthard		24.136 
12	16	Jarno Trulli		24.140 
13	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	24.141 
14	2	Rubens Barrichello	24.181 
15	11	Jacques Villeneuve	24.224 
16	17	Ralf Schumacher		24.253 
17	12	Felipe Massa		24.262 
18	15	Christian Klien		24.274 
19	8	Nick Heidfeld		24.326 
20	20	Robert Doornbos		24.467 
21	39	Nicolas Kiesa		24.547 
22	19	Narain Karthikeyan	24.609 
23	21	Christijan Albers	24.701 
24	18	Tiago Monteiro		24.800 
25	40	Enrico Toccacelo	25.173

Speed Trap

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time		Speed[/b]
1	5	Fernando Alonso		14:14:20	329.2 
2	38	Ricardo Zonta		14:10:42	325.2 
3	35	Pedro de la Rosa	14:56:58	324.0 
4	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	14:51:09	323.8 
5	12	Felipe Massa		14:26:11	321.4 
6	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	14:05:51	320.7 
7	3	Jenson Button		14:13:26	320.7 
8	16	Jarno Trulli		14:11:37	320.3 
9	7	Mark Webber		14:52:35	320.1 
10	14	David Coulthard		14:51:32	319.8 
11	9	Kimi Räikkönen		14:59:41	319.8 
12	2	Rubens Barrichello	14:24:33	319.4 
13	4	Takuma Sato		14:56:49	318.3 
14	37	Vitantonio Liuzzi	14:45:07	318.2 
15	15	Christian Klien		14:12:13	317.7 
16	21	Christijan Albers	14:24:35	317.1 
17	39	Nicolas Kiesa		14:46:45	317.1 
18	1	Michael Schumacher	14:42:11	316.9 
19	11	Jacques Villeneuve	15:01:05	316.0 
20	8	Nick Heidfeld		14:47:22	315.6 
21	17	Ralf Schumacher		14:16:49	315.0 
22	20	Robert Doornbos		14:46:21	314.6 
23	40	Enrico Toccacelo	14:04:42	312.4 
24	19	Narain Karthikeyan	14:06:32	311.2 
25	18	Tiago Monteiro		15:01:12	310.4

Flibster · 19 Aug 2005 at 19:53

ashtray_head said:
even so .... is the toyota THAT fast??

Give it a timebomb engine, soft tyres and experimental bodywork - could well be...

Simon/~Flibster

Richard T · 19 Aug 2005 at 19:56

hmm strange...
Pedro is faster than Zonta in the first and last sectors but loses a lot of time in the middle one?

maybe he aint quite figured a corner out

Richard T · 19 Aug 2005 at 19:57

Flibster said:
Give it a timebomb engine, soft tyres and experimental bodywork - could well be...

Simon/~Flibster

ah yes I see now..............I hate these stupid rules....... I hate to wish my life away but roll on next year and a massive rule change :rolleyes: