2005 United States Grand Prix
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Fire 1 said:
I think you've mis-understood two different quotes. Both are true but not related.
The jordan quote refers to the fact that they agreed not to race if the chicane wasn't in place even though their bridgestone tires had no problems running the full race at race pace. Jordan went back on this agreement and "forced" Stoddart to run his cars in the interest of his very flaky bank balance.
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goreblast said:
the parade lap is not part of the race...they are not allowed to overtake and they have not seen the start lights go out.
Plus its not at racing speeds...
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But it counts as a lap. doesn't itashtray_head said:
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Dutch Guy said:But it counts as a lap. doesn't it
does it?... well no michelin shod car turned a wheel in anger so in my thinking they did not start the race!
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Lead_Head said:
Obviously not..... I'd like to hear what he has to say
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The parade lap does count as a lap but i'm not entirely sure if it counts as part of the "race".
For example if they do the parade lap, form up on the grid, someone has a problem and they abort the start, there is another parade lap and another lap is deducted from the race distance.
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For example if they do the parade lap, form up on the grid, someone has a problem and they abort the start, there is another parade lap and another lap is deducted from the race distance.
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Yep. Imagine the accidents they would have had if all the michelin teams went slower round the banking and all the bridgestone teams tried to overtake them with a speed difference of at least 50mph..
that would be "well safe" now wouldn't it
that would be "well safe" now wouldn't it
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as Martin was saying yesterday, if initially the grid is complete and a formation lap follows, then the race counts as a points scoring race.
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goreblast said:
Of course not, but then we would have had a 14 car race that would have been full of cars able to compete with other.
Instead we got a farce of a 6 car race, where 2 of those cars were in a different league to the other 4.
A 14 car race would just about watchable, it would have been competitive (McLaren v Williams v Renault v BAR) and the fans would have at least had something enjoyable to watch.
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NicktheNorse said:
But that doesn't necessarily mean that the formation lap forms part of the race.
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They should off solved it the american way, if racing isn't possible on sunday, come back on tuesday when Michelin had time to make some harder tyres, a bit like they don't race when it rains on ovals.
First of all I am livid with how politics in F1 ruined the GP. That has hacked me right off. Bernie, Max, Todt, and most likely Dennis, Williams and Briatore probably all played a part in fouling this up. They all had their egos at stake and nobody backed down so we had this farce. 
As far as Michelin are concerned.... Well, Bridgestone had supplied tyres for the Indy500 recently and new that it had been re-surfaced. Basically Indy cars were struggling for grip so they diamond cut the surface. Essentially slicing it up. Under the immense load of turn 13 and the fact it was on the diamond cut banking it was simply shredding the Michelin side walls. Since Indianapolis isn't a designated test circuit I have a little sympathy for Michelin. Anything they did to look into this could have been deemed outside of testing regs and illegel. I'm not sure tho. Either way I'm really upset and hope everything is back to normal by Magny Cours.
I have to admit though I won't be anywhere near as upset as Flibster, sorry mate.
As far as Michelin are concerned.... Well, Bridgestone had supplied tyres for the Indy500 recently and new that it had been re-surfaced. Basically Indy cars were struggling for grip so they diamond cut the surface. Essentially slicing it up. Under the immense load of turn 13 and the fact it was on the diamond cut banking it was simply shredding the Michelin side walls. Since Indianapolis isn't a designated test circuit I have a little sympathy for Michelin. Anything they did to look into this could have been deemed outside of testing regs and illegel. I'm not sure tho. Either way I'm really upset and hope everything is back to normal by Magny Cours.
I have to admit though I won't be anywhere near as upset as Flibster, sorry mate.
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ConfusedTA said:
On this assumption all the Michelin drivers started the race and retired before the end of the first lap on safety grounds.
The FIA now have a real problem if they try to fine Michelin for "bringing the sport into disrepute". The FIA knew that it was unsafe for the Michelin runners but even given advanced warning failed to find a solution/compromise. For them to fine Michelin would be crazy given that in the eyes of the regulations they started the race then retired.
As discussed earlier they don't start talking about fines when teams retire a car because of engines problems, suspension failure etc.
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The parade lap is not part of the race, everyone goes and parks on the grid in their original positions and they can't overtake (and there is no reason to).
Although, doing that lap could constitute competing, not sure, I dont have the rules here.
Either way, its NO consolation for the people who spent lots of money going to the Grand Prix.
Although, doing that lap could constitute competing, not sure, I dont have the rules here.
Either way, its NO consolation for the people who spent lots of money going to the Grand Prix.
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It isn't, but any car that doesn't take part in the race (even if it is just one lap) gets a $250,000 fine so the Michelin teams just did one lap to avoid the fine.D4VE said:
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Dutch Guy said:
Ah, I see.
