2006 Spanish Grand Prix - Race 6/18
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Man of Honour
Flibster said:
That's a stupidly quick time in comparison to everyone else.
I think there's one phrase which will sum up the atmosphere in the paddock for the rest of the afternoon:
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Schueys sector two top speed is 4th in the charts at the mo. Its a very low downforce setup, typical Ferrari, lots of mechanical grip so need less aero work down that long main straight.
Montoya and Webber both out, interesting, Montoya still got the old McLaren engine?
Montoya and Webber both out, interesting, Montoya still got the old McLaren engine?
rpstewart said:That's a stupidly quick time in comparison to everyone else.
I think there's one phrase which will sum up the atmosphere in the paddock for the rest of the afternoon:
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Ferrari are definately running flexable wings and a stallign diffuser...flexible floor is also a possibility.
It's already been said that if Ferrari are allowed to run them *even through they are specifically banned* they everyone else is going to develop them in the next couple of races.
I can see a very big blowup happening amongst the teams and the FIA soon.
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[b]Driver Session 1 Session 2 Session 3[/b]
M.Schumacher 1:16.049 1:14.637
Fisichella 1:16.046 1:14.766
Trulli 1:16.174 1:15.068
Alonso 1:15.816 1:15.124
Button 1:16.054 1:15.150
R.Schumacher 1:16.234 1:15.164
Massa 1:16.359 1:15.245
Barrichello 1:16.266 1:15.258
Raikkonen 1:16.613 1:15.422
Heidfeld 1:16.322 1:15.468
POSITIONS SET AFTER SESSION 1
[b]Pos Driver Session 1 Session 2 Session 3[/b]
11 Webber 1:16.685 1:15.502
12 Montoya 1:16.195 1:15.801
13 Rosberg 1:17.213 1:15.804
14 Villeneuve 1:16.066 1:15.847
15 Klien 1:16.627 1:15.928
16 Liuzzi 1:17.105 1:16.661
17 Speed 1:17.361
18 Monteiro 1:17.702
19 Albers 1:18.024
20 Sato 1:18.920
21 Montagny 1:20.763
22 Coulthard No Time
Flibster said:
Its blatently obvious that this is the case because James Allen - The man who knows it all said so on ITV
There is nothing quite as satisfying or amusing as seeing the McLaren / Montoya combinations screwing things up royally - which fortunately happens almost all the time. What a fantastic combination of rubbish driver meets (probably fastest car on the grid + a muppet for a team manager)
They all run flexi wings, come on, its been going on for a long time .
There have been massive aero work on that Ferrari recently, even with the supposed super flexi wings at the start of the season the performance just wasnt there. Just look at Montoyas front wing cam, the rear element was moving on that by a fair amount earlier on in the 2nd session.
Nice language from DC.
.There have been massive aero work on that Ferrari recently, even with the supposed super flexi wings at the start of the season the performance just wasnt there. Just look at Montoyas front wing cam, the rear element was moving on that by a fair amount earlier on in the 2nd session.
Nice language from DC
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Soldato
tut tut David 
Type_R said:Its blatently obvious that this is the case because James Allen - The man who knows it all said so on ITV
There is nothing quite as satisfying or amusing as seeing the McLaren / Montoya combinations screwing things up royally - which fortunately happens almost all the time. What a fantastic combination of rubbish driver meets (probably fastest car on the grid + a muppet for a team manager)
Sod Allen - I'll take the word of a couple of F1 designers and Aerodynamicists that I've spoken to and someone who is paid to look at other teams designs and tell the people he's contracted to what they're doing.
The rear difusser stalls above a certain speed as the whole unit flexes - this dramatically cuts downforce.
Flexible floor is possible - but a lot harder
Flexible wings - well - they've already been told to change them once as they flexed due to "a production fault" - yeah - right... Both Ferrari front wings with exactly the same fault.
And they seem to be flexing a hell of a lot this race as well - Moved about an inch down the edge of my monitor - ouch....
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Its amazing about the whole "flexi wing" conspiracy thats suddenly appeared. No one complained about Ferrari last year when they couldnt get any pace due to tyres and other factors.
We could say the same about Renault, what kind of secret launch control do they have to give them those rocket starts (even with a rather large fuel load compared to other cars), then we have McLaren using a similar rear wing etc.
If you watch all the wings they will flex, Montoyas front wing was flexing in the 2nd session.
We could say the same about Renault, what kind of secret launch control do they have to give them those rocket starts (even with a rather large fuel load compared to other cars), then we have McLaren using a similar rear wing etc.
If you watch all the wings they will flex, Montoyas front wing was flexing in the 2nd session.
Man of Honour
Arc said:
Yeah, all the wings flex, that's not the issue. What people are complaining about is not the fact that the Ferrari wings bend under load but it's the way that they bend and close the slot gaps that's under scruitiny. This constitutes a moveable aerodynamic device = illegal!
Arc said:
Oh yes- Ferrari's problem last year was allll due to tyres.. The car was didgy in all areas - they pretty much gave up as far as I could see towards the end of the year and concentrated on this years car.
Renault's 'launch control' is partially due to having a very heavy rear end to the car. They understeer everywhere but have immense traction. Large fuel loads help this as thats more weight at the back.
They all flex - but none quite as much as Ferrari's - the main problem with the Ferrari wing was that it also appeared to twist.
Soldato
Alonso deserves the win just from that lap IMO. MS had me on the edge of my seat there though.
Arc said:Yeah but are you saying the other wings arent flexing in the same way
Two other teams were told to change their wing design along with Ferrari, do you think those two teams still have an advantage.
Strangely - they didn't have an advantage to begin with...
IIRC - McLaren were told to change their rear wing and BMW were told to change their front wing.
Ferrari were told to change both - and all they've done on the front is added a little cover over the bit that slides..
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