2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18

JRS · 23 Sep 2008 at 07:58

From the Times this morning:

Hamilton possibly overstepped the mark when he boasted in response to another question from Tozzi: “I'm a racing driver. I've been racing since I was eight years old and I know pretty much every single manoeuvre in the book and that's why I'm the best at my job.”

Nngh!

I want to like the guy, I really do. And I am trying. But he's moving away from the supreme self-confidence of a Senna or Schumacher and heading on a one-way train to Arrogance-ville. Lewis, you haven't even raced in F1 for two whole seasons yet - you do not know it all. And being best at your job would probably preclude, oh I don't know, how about driving into the back of a stationary car at the end of the pitlane with the red light on and your own team telling you on the radio to hit the sodding brakes.

If losing this appeal would inject a small dose of humility in him, maybe I'd wish for it to happen. But I still want the appeal a) to be admissible and b) to be won by Lewis and McLaren because as much as I hate Hamilton's occasional arrogant outbursts, I hate the current regime at the FIA even more.

FrankJH · 23 Sep 2008 at 09:00

Actually I think that is an ok comment when taken in context speaking to a lawyer who probably has never been on a race track, let alone actually taken part in any kind of race

There is also mention in some papers about a time-penalty applied to Toro Rosso last year in Fuji that was admissable (I know Torro Rosso lost the appeal, but they WERE allowed to proceed to it which surely means that McLaren are able also)

Dutch Guy · 23 Sep 2008 at 09:04

He drives in the highest class of racing cars, he gets paid millions to race, he has been at the top of the standings since he began and you find it stange that Lewis is confident in his ability and thinks he is the best :confused:

Slam62 · 23 Sep 2008 at 09:12

uh who's better then

edit: All the other drivers apart from vettel general manage to make themselves look ordinary most of the time.

edit again: except Fred

Wicksta · 23 Sep 2008 at 09:14

Indeed that comment is incomplete and taken completely out of context.

sunama · 23 Sep 2008 at 09:34

Dutch Guy said:
He drives in the highest class of racing cars, he gets paid millions to race, he has been at the top of the standings since he began and you find it stange that Lewis is confident in his ability and thinks he is the best

A nice riposte.

TBH though. MS and Senna were both just as confident and arrogant.

Senna definitely felt that he had the divine right to drive in the best car and if that was so, he would win every race he competed in.

MS always felt that he would win every race and if he failed to do so, it was the fault of the equipment and not him. Asking his team mates to follow in behind him and not challenge him, was not because he was scared of the extra competition, but because he saw them as a nuisance, should they decide to race against him, that he could do without. Nothing more.

TheStig1 · 23 Sep 2008 at 09:49

michael never displayed such arrogance he had self confidence but he would never speak like lewis is
hopefully mclaren slump next year and we will see how good lewis really is after all as ron said the talent in gp2 is not really much

adam cool dude · 23 Sep 2008 at 10:12

TheStig1 said:
michael never displayed such arrogance he had self confidence but he would never speak like lewis is
hopefully mclaren slump next year and we will see how good lewis really is after all as ron said the talent in gp2 is not really much

Quoted for truth. MS knew he was good, proved he was good and that was the end of it. He didn't have to go shouting every 5 minutes that he was the messiah, which is what i liked about him despite being dirty.

Took some friends to the airport today and managed to hear snippets of Lewis on the radio. Something to do with him having a go at his lawyers and telling the reporter he is not stupid :rolleyes:

. I was hoping his messiahness was on the track only but it seems he is like it off the track too.

FrankJH · 23 Sep 2008 at 10:15

TheStig1 said:
michael never displayed such arrogance he had self confidence but he would never speak like lewis is
hopefully mclaren slump next year and we will see how good lewis really is after all as ron said the talent in gp2 is not really much

You are completely diluded if you think MS wasnt arrogant

He was as bad as Senna

Barging people off the track (at least twice) if anyone had the temerity to try and over take him, even when he was already out of the race

Fisticuffs in the pitlane because someone else made a mistake (ok maybe he isnt the only one, but even so)

Several teams built around his egotistical ways to the detriment of numerous other TEAM members

the list goes on

Dutch Guy · 23 Sep 2008 at 10:19

FrankJH said:
Barging people off the track (at least twice) if anyone had the temerity to try and over take him, even when he was already out of the race

He was even annoying behind a safety ar and even managed to eliminate another driver behind a safety car by leaving too much distance between him and the safety car by braking too hard.

TheStig1 · 23 Sep 2008 at 10:32

FrankJH said:
You are completely diluded if you think MS wasnt arrogant

He was as bad as Senna

Barging people off the track (at least twice) if anyone had the temerity to try and over take him, even when he was already out of the race

Fisticuffs in the pitlane because someone else made a mistake (ok maybe he isnt the only one, but even so)

Several teams built around his egotistical ways to the detriment of numerous other TEAM members

the list goes on

arrogant in his words did you read michael would never talk like lewis
would not say being a hard racer is arrogance either he never talked down to his rivals or talked himself up he did it on the track

TheStig1 · 23 Sep 2008 at 10:34

Dutch Guy said:
He was even annoying behind a safety ar and even managed to eliminate another driver behind a safety car by leaving too much distance between him and the safety car by braking too hard.

you what?
when jpm rammed him out at monaco? much like lewis taking out webber and vettel then?

Neo4 · 23 Sep 2008 at 10:35

TheStig1 said:
arrogant in his words did you read michael would never talk like lewis
would not say being a hard racer is arrogance either he never talked down to his rivals or talked himself up he did it on the track

Priceless

GravyMonster · 23 Sep 2008 at 11:32

TheStig1 said:
would not say being a hard racer is arrogance

And yet you continue to lambast Hamilton for giving the squeeze on Glock and Fisi at Monza.

Sparky · 23 Sep 2008 at 11:35

Spunkey said:
And yet you continue to lambast Hamilton for giving the squeeze on Glock and Fisi at Monza.

Ferrari goggles

TheStig1 · 23 Sep 2008 at 11:39

Spunkey said:
And yet you continue to lambast Hamilton for giving the squeeze on Glock and Fisi at Monza.

correct
where did i say michael never done no wrong?

Sparky · 23 Sep 2008 at 11:43

TheStig1 said:
correct
where did i say michael never done no wrong?

I think he is saying that in your opinion MS being a hard racer is ok but apparently it is not ok for LH.

Maybe i've read it wrong.

Sparky · 23 Sep 2008 at 11:44

What time are we expecting the decision to be made?

Duke · 23 Sep 2008 at 12:03

The Mclaren fine last year was announced about 4pm ish if I remember correctly, so at a guess about that time?

:shrug:

Sparky · 23 Sep 2008 at 12:06

Duke said:
The Mclaren fine last year was announced about 4pm ish if I remember correctly, so at a guess about that time?

:shrug:

I hate waiting! Was never good at the whole Xmas thing as a kid