2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18

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To put a slightly more positive spin on this for a second - how much sweeter will it be now for Hamilton if he takes the title? He's had a win taken off him for no good reason, his appeal was rejected for no good reason, and he's now only leading the championship by the smallest of margins. If he wins now it'll be a nice "up yours" to the FIA!

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it really is about time Bernie's boys bugger of.

Didn't think that would take long....go on then, just what has Bernie got to do with it?
 
To put a slightly more positive spin on this for a second - how much sweeter will it be now for Hamilton if he takes the title? He's had a win taken off him for no good reason, his appeal was rejected for no good reason, and he's now only leading the championship by the smallest of margins. If he wins now it'll be a nice "up yours" to the FIA!
Very true. And he's already had a 10 place penalty for a marginal stewards call in France.
 
To put a slightly more positive spin on this for a second - how much sweeter will it be now for Hamilton if he takes the title? He's had a win taken off him for no good reason, his appeal was rejected for no good reason, and he's now only leading the championship by the smallest of margins. If he wins now it'll be a nice "up yours" to the FIA!

True, though imagine if he loses it by 2 points. That'll make for interesting reading on here :)
Not surprised by the verdict, only surprised the FIA didn't decide whether it was appealable before going through all the evidence.
 
I'm normally receptive to people's opinions, and are willing to listen to reason.

However, I've read the majority of your posts and just wish you'd STFU.

so they did not try and cover up the ferrari data they have?
while their test driver and alonso were emailing it about and running ferrari settings in their simulator and at testing?
corrupt they are
 
Bernie's got little to do with the FIA, and Charlie Whiting has got nothing at all to do with FOM.

bernie was able to plead to the fia to not strip the mclaren driver points last year though
but the fia only favours ferrari :p

anyway lewis has a fortunate 1 point lead
4 races to go its not like this decision changes much
 
Bernie's got little to do with the FIA, and Charlie Whiting has got nothing at all to do with FOM.

Indeed. But it's alright, let everyone have their BernieBashing™ moment. Never mind that the real target ought to be Max "Sadomasochistic sex with prostitutes? Yes please!" Mosley, it's all Bernie's fault!
 
I like how you put brilliance in quote marks. Lets you say it without actually having to, if you get my meaning. Nicely done..

No he wasnt brillaint - thats EXACTLY why I posted the way I did :rolleyes:

What has his ability as a racing driver got to do with it? You said he was arrogant, I post that Murray and Martin don't agree, and you go off at a tangent about Australia '94 somehow proving that he wasn't a great driver. Unrelated, and also complete donkey balls..

Because he obviously thought he was gods gift - when he would have been able to win FAIRLY if that was the case , and as I indicated there where several incidents where he beyond all the rules to try to avoid losing

After your last comment you are now squelched - Ive had enough of your personal snipping


Not a Ferrari driver being disqualified from the championship! I thought the FIA were biased towards Ferrari!.

Nothing at all to do with this discussion so why even introduce it.

However it was a DRIVING action which caused the DQ not a team action (it was so blatant FIA had to do something)




As I recall, he won all those races fairly (and in one case, made the entire field look ridiculous). So they should stand. He then tried to win the title unfairly, so was disqualified from the championship. Not seeing much wrong there.

The pooint is the action he took on his own head merited a ban and he got away scot free (as he lost the Championship anyway) , but the FIA couldnt risk banning one of the main drivers for 98

As they took away the points (and therefore results) they should strip the race wins, otherwise No one won the race.

You wouldnt see anything wrong :rolleyes:




Chopping in front of drivers off the line? Well shoot, Senna made that move his own. And I see young Lewis has developed pretty decent skills at it as well. Storming off to try and punch DC's lights out at Spa in '98? The guy had just had a crash that probably could have killed him if the angle had been slightly different. I'm not surprised he wanted to get hold of the person that caused it and ask them if they'd mind telling him what exactly they thought they were doing..

He had no right to go barging into DC after nearly killing DH in 94 and JV in 97, even then I cant see how the spa incident is more dangerous than the other two


Nice to see logic and reason are still out to lunch...

Points to your own question - both before the incident in question

A single quote from a book ( which obviously took time to either write or talk through with an ghost writer/editor) is completely different from live commentary - but hey obviously 100's of hours of comentary doesnt count

After your seperate last comment Im squelching you, Ive had enough of your personal snipping
 
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fia were right to not let mclaren appeal or else every one will now appeal stop/go penaltys and the races will be decided in the court room not on the track (or cutting the track) as it should be
mclaren should really know better and hopefully they are paying for the time they have wasted the fia :D
 
No he wasnt brillaint - thats EXACTLY why I posted the way I did :rolleyes:

I realised that. Which is why I commended you for putting brilliance in quote marks, so you could get away with calling him brilliant while actually not doing so.

Because he obviously thought he was gods gift - when he would have been able to win FAIRLY if that was the case , and as I indicated there where several incidents where he beyond all the rules to try to avoid losing

So, is that arrogance or self-belief? 'cause I'd go with the latter personally.

Nothing at all to do with this discussion so why even introduce it.

LOL. Oh, you're good.

However it was a DRIVING action which caused the DQ not a team action (it was so blatant FIA had to do something)

Yep. He tried to drive into Villeneuve to seal the championship, not the race win. As I recall, if neither car finished Schumacher was champion? So he was out to end both their races, not end Villeneuves and go on to win it.

He was punished for this. No point taking the wins away, since winning the race wasn't his objective when he made the illegal move.

The pooint is the action he took on his own head merited a ban and he got away scot free (as he lost the Championship anyway) , but the FIA couldnt risk banning one of the main drivers for 98

They also didn't ban Senna for the '91 season (despite threatening to do so) after he slammed into the back of Prost at Suzuka and went off on a tirade at Jean-Marie Balestre.

As they took away the points (and therefore results) they should strip the race wins, otherwise No one won the race.

So, they should take away all the McLaren wins from last year since they were disqualified from the championship? Not exactly the same situation I'll grant you, but similar enough.

You wouldnt see anything wrong :rolleyes:

OoooOOOOOOOOooooohh!!!

Everything alright with you today? You seem a bit more snippy than normal.

He had no right to go barging into DC after nearly killing DH in 94 and JV in 97, even then I cant see how the spa incident is more dangerous than the other two

"Nearly killing"?

Get off. He clobbered into the side of both of them, probably the strongest part of the car with the sidepods being in the way. Yes, it was dangerous. But "nearly killing" Hill and Villeneuve? Yeah, sure.

As for Spa '98 - that was indeed rather more dangerous by my reckoning. Hugely wet, bugger all visibility, Coulthard tooling around on the racing line at a much slower pace. Schumacher saw him late, got some steering lock on but caught DC with his front right wheel, tearing the front of the car to bits. That wheel could have come back into his helmet, he could have hit DC even straighter and had a bigger accident, he could have hit him at a different angle and gone spearing off to the wall. Fortunately, we'll never know.

A single quote from a book ( which obviously took time to either write or talk through with an ghost writer/editor) is completely different from live commentary - but hey obviously 100's of hours of comentary doesnt count

Alright, you want live commentary? I'll go look up the Monaco '97 quote from Murray and Martin. Give me half an hour to dig through my tape.
 
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