2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18
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Right, well if Spoonz's article is anything to go by we need an investigation into the FIA and why they change their minds at the end of a GP. In fact, investigate the FIA and all their stewards, then fine Max and take away all his constructors points.
Ive got my optimist hat on and it would be the best thing on the planet if all this gets traced back to Max's doorstep.
Ive got my optimist hat on and it would be the best thing on the planet if all this gets traced back to Max's doorstep.
The only thing Hamilton has dominated is air time on the ITV F1 coverage.
He lost by 1 point in the previous championship.
He leads by 2 (read 8) points in this championship.
Hardly dominating material.
I think this is the case, and i think it was the same last year too. i can see why they might of done it last year tbh, for both hamilton and the sport. it is taking the **** now though. if this isnt just a PA stunt to build up interest / viewers (LH given back his points before the next race) then i will have to seriously consider weather i bother watching it anymore
And in the crucial race of the season the FIA allow 3 teams running illegal fuel temps to keep their points! odd!
So wouldnt it be an ironic twist of fate if the 25 second penalty was removed?
Besides, lets say Kimi didnt win the championship last year, I'll repeat my previous statement, i.e. it wasnt a dominating championship the likes weve seen in the past by Michael Schumacher, winning some championships just over halfway through the season.
Soldato
Oh dear, resorted to calling me arrogant. What's the matter, hope you're not getting upset over an internet discussion!!
I'm more than happy to terminate this "debate"
2 teams that they could not prove were running illegal temps as the fia did not know the ambient temp
but hey just make something up
Nah it's too soon to be worrying about all that. I think they would have liked a year where they didnt win it due to the issues of last year. If macca still walk away with it even though the car was pulled apart to check whether it was a ferrari and the huge fine, well the FIA won't consider they did the job properly.
Oh dear, resorted to calling me arrogant. What's the matter, hope you're not getting upset over an internet discussion!!
lol you are arrogant to suggest your opinion counts as fact and suggest anyone else must have evidence so i am happy i wont have to respond to you no more since the debate is terminated
Sorry 2 teams. Both found to have fuel outside of permitted regs but the FIA took no action.
At this stage of the season in 2007, Hamilton was leading.
In 2008, he is leading.
In both seasons he has competed in, he is dominating the points standings (ie. has more points than any other driver), just as MS did before him. The difference is that with MS, they began to address the issue of his domination AFTER he won a few titles. In the case of Hamilton, I suspect that they are trying to reduce his points/titles, right from the start, so that in 5-10 yrs time, after he has finished his career, it wont read like another Schumacher and period of domination by 1 driver, over the rest - great for Schumacher or Hamilton fans, but bad for everybody else and TV audiences.
Had the result stood in Spa, Hamilton would be getting himself a bigger, possibly unassailable, lead.
If you are expecting Hamilton to double the 2nd placed man's points standings at this stage in his career, then I think you are being optimistic. Even MS didnt do that in his 2nd season. By anybody's standards, to lead 2007 and 2008 WDC, at this stage of the season, in his first 2 seasons, is pretty dominant.
Article 6.5.5 of the F1 technical rules state that, “No fuel on board the car may be more than 10 degrees centigrade below ambient temperature.” The FIA have now confirmed that the trio’s fuel temperatures were outside the permitted temperatures, saying the fuel was “more than 10 degrees below the ambient temperature”.
In a statement, it has been revealed that during his first pit-stop, Heidfeld’s fuel temperature was 13 degrees lower than the ambient temperature, and during his second stop, his fuel was 12 degrees lower.
Robert Kubica’s pit-stops have revealed that his temperatures were 14 degrees, 13 degrees and 13 degrees out respectively. Nico Rosberg’s fuel temperatures were 13 and 12 degrees out.
It has also been revealed that the second BMW of Kazuki Nakajima also had fuel temperature irregularities – his fuel was 12 degrees out on the first stop, however his fuel temperatures were within regulations on his second stop.
But of course the FIA had no proof.
Or did i just make that up.
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the fia had no standard ambient temp the teams took the ambient temps from their own source and not a global source that all teams seen which is why the appeal failed as their was no evidence of what the actual ambient temp really was
if you read the fia statement about the appeal it gives you that info
What you refer to as "dominating the points standings" I call "leading the points standing". By your logic, Massa wouldve been "dominating the points standing at one point in the season. (Hell even Kubica).
Dominance would be leading the championship by a large margin from the next driver. I.e. similar to how Schumacher not only dominated the entire field, but his team mate as well by nearly double points.
Sorry I think this is Tosh. They had a fair go at Schumacher in the years leading up to him joining Ferrari. (e.g. Hill and Villenueve).
You obviously didnt forget that this time last year Hamilton was over 20 points "dominating" the next non-Mclaren driver and still managed to screw it up
Said no such think bud. Its my personal belief that Massa may take it by that margin (albeit just!). I was simply comparing your definition of "dominance" to mine. Where mine means a driver not only leads and beats but completely dominates his opponents. I.e. as explained above, and also perhaps by attaining a more than 30-40 second lead over your opponents. I.e. to the point where F1 viewing takes a hit because its the same driver infront all the time as was the case when Schumacher truly dominated, and they had to change the rules to negate this advantage (e.g. points award change).
Hamilton has not even come close to any of the above. Well ok he had dominated one race by more than 30 seconds, but then so have the Ferrari drivers.
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totally agree the fia went after michael remember silverstone 94 got a black flag for passing hill on the formation lap lol big crime then told the black flag was wrong he will get a time penalty then after the race they ban him for 2 races
or the spa dq when the wooden plank was worn after he spun across the kerbs the benetton team even showed the fia bits of the plank still in the kerb but they took his win off him anyway even though accident damage was allowed to the plank
f1 is just not the same without some sort of drama and i think most people love it at the end of the day lol
Soldato
i agree with that would really like to see jenson in a top car dont really see it happening now though which is a shame maybe honda can turn it around but i dont see that happening overnight either jenson has been wasted there
must be really hard to keep motivated in his position
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